Talk:Eobard Thawne

Killing Barry Allen
Enough with the reverting war. Let's talk it here. There is no solid evidence saying he was there to kill the young or adult Barry.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 18:58, March 18, 2015 (UTC)

True, Harrison maybe should at have killed younger Barry, but the older Barry decided to keep his own self safe, so the future would still be continuing and the Flash would go on and on.99.158.28.249 22:17, March 31, 2015 (UTC) PeterParkerNoir (RF of ROBLOX)

Listen up Cloud, I'm not going to sit up here and take your crap just to be civil. You don't just get to waltz into a wiki and think you're in charge now. Quit edit warring with older and more experienced users. You've become quite intolerable, and you're getting to the point where no one likes you. The Barry that was there that night obviously is the Barry that's going to go back into time to prevent his mother's murder. Wells wouldn't have known that the older Barry was going to be there, and if he did, what would killing him do? Killing the Younger Barry is obvious, because then there would be no Barry Allen Flash EVER. That's pure logic, and it was totally obvious. He said he was there to kill Barry, NOT Nora. Which means Young Barry. Get your facts straight. Neptune -  Everything's impossible until somebody does it.  19:02, March 18, 2015 (UTC)

You are aware this isn't my first wikia right? I've had much more experience on the Naruto wikia since 2007 and that wikia taught me to go based on solid evidence not pure speculation. Also, you say the internet agrees but majority doesn't make it true. After all, most once believed the earth was flat look what happened now. I don't think I'm in charge either. I just hold strongly to my beliefs, plain and simple. Also, I think you could use some fresh air if you're getting worked up over this. Also, you do have more edits than me on other wikias but it doesn't seem you've accumulated any experience doing so since I was the one who suggested this talk page so we can discuss which is better in a civil way. Being older doesn't make you more experienced. It just means you started editing earlier than I did, plain and simple. Facts? what facts? You're editing based on speculation. I'm doing it based on currently KNOWN details. I would say visit the Naruto wikia to see how I got my editing style but since the series long since ended there is no speculation anymore.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 19:11, March 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * PS In case you weren't aware I did accommodate to the Tess Morgan since you did put up a good point so no I don't think I'm right on everything.

Firstly, I was actually in the middle of leaving you a message on your talk page, as the message I left above was originally for that. Second of all, everything doesn't need to be outright stated for it to be factual. Just looking at the basics of time travel, and logic in general everyone would agree with me. Why would Wells go into the past to kill future Barry? That'd be retarded. I'm not getting worked up over this, I'm just sick of your arrogance. You made Jiskran leave, you get into an argument with the admins who are some of my best friends on Wikia in general on a weekly basis, and you're just not nice to edit alongside. You should have come to this wiki with a more humble attitude, but you didn't. Just because you suggest something be talked about on the talk page means nothing, you still edit warred with me as if you had a point, which you don't. I'm not visiting the Naruto Wiki to see how you became the editor that you are. Every wiki is different, so your style there, and how you dealt with users there should be slightly or largely different from how you do things here, depending on how different the rules are between the two wikis. Also, if you had bothered to check more articles on the wiki, a lot of things are decided on general consensus that aren't outright stated, such as General Eiling's death by the hands of Grodd, though according to the PaleyFest Sizzle Reel, that proved to be untrue. If that in fact happens, we change it. But this is way different, because this is obvious, whereas Eiling's death was ambiguous. I'm not the type to be hostile for no reason, this wiki is a great place, and I'd like to see it stay that way, which means everyone should be nice and humble to each other. MakeShift is the head admin of this wiki, and he's also one of it's most humble users. Neptune -  Everything's impossible until somebody does it.  19:26, March 18, 2015 (UTC)

I wasn't trying to make anyone leave. I was simply strongly holding my belief. If this wikia used the character's talk pages more often, we wouldn't have this issue. How am I displaying arrogance? I am trying to say keep things non-speculative. Your argument on Tess Morgna made me realize I was doing exactly that so I kept it off. Also, a while back on Barry's page someone put the flash of yellow which saved Barry was Harrison (which I cleaned up), which proved to be false. Regardless of any wikia's rules and regulations the point is to inform in a non-speculative way. I am not saying I'm always right but I try to keep the articles neutral. Most of my activities here is cleaning up this wikia, especially the speculations. But I am not wasting anymore time arguing with you. If you want to put that young Barry argument go for it. But if you put any speculation stuff that turns out to be wrong, just remember I've tried to keep this wikia neutral.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 19:34, March 18, 2015 (UTC)

Ladies or gentlemen, whichever you are, please calm your tits down. We are all on the same team. Let's not make this personal and simply lay out the evidence to come to a proper conclusion. We already know time-travel in the Arrow-verse IS possible, as demonstrated by both Barry AND Wells. We know Wells has been trapped in our time since Nora Allen's death. We know Barry knows he is destined to go back in time and fail at saving his mom. The way this is turning out, it seems to me like this is a sort of time-loop or predestination paradox. Also, we still don't know WHAT motivated Wells to try and kill Barry as a child. And we still don't know what happened to Future-Barry, the one who time-travelled with Wells. Did he return to his proper place in the timeline? Or was he too trapped in the present day? Furthermore, we know Wells left the future, but we don't know at which point in the timeline he made the jump to Nora Allen's death, meaning he could have time travelled several times. And now that I think about it, could this be the reason why Thawne's powers are destabilizing, maybe since he didn't gain his powers from the particle accelerator blast, his powers began destabilizing from all the time-travelling. And while we're at it, how did Thawne gain his powers, and why are they so unstable that he required the Tachyon device and placed it on his suit, presumably to stabilize his powers? There's too many questions that need answering. RinneSharingan (talk) 21:59, March 19, 2015 (UTC)


 * I know there are unanswered questions. That's why I opted for an edit of Eobard targeting either the young or adult Barry so it covers all bases. But this guy somehow got into his head he was targeting the young Barry without any real evidence outside his speculation and demanded I let him edit him targeting the young Barry. I was the one who suggested this talk page so we could discuss things in a calmly manner, which did not happen.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 02:00, March 20, 2015 (UTC)

Your edit to the page sounded ridiculous, and Wells clearly stated that he was there to kill Barry that night. Which means Young Barry. There's no speculation in that. Neptune -  Everything's impossible until somebody does it.  02:15, March 20, 2015 (UTC)
 * That is a matter of opinion. Sticking to the facts, we just know he was there to kill Barry. He could have meant the adult or young Barry but we don't know the full situation. On top of that, he's had Barry at his mercy for 15 years and didn't kill him. On top of that, he manipulated the events to make Barry into The Flash.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 02:52, March 20, 2015 (UTC)
 * PS Glad to see you've shimmered down and we can have a discussion. Also, when you reply to a certain paragraph put a :(followed by response under that paragraph so we know which one you're specifically replying to).

Cloud, I know about the ":", I just don't use it all the time, and it's not necessary to use all of the time because there's section headers separating conversations. First of all, sticking to the facts, if he went back in time, he was there to kill the young Barry, not the adult Barry, he said it himself that he eventually wants to kill the adult Barry and get him so fast so he can get back to his own time. But he also said that he got stuck in the past fifteen years ago, meaning that he didn't know he'd be stuck there, and was there to kill Young Barry originally. Obviously meaning keeping Barry Allen alive and making him the Flash was the only way to get back to his time after he originally got stuck there. He wouldn't have made him the Flash otherwise. He also wouldn't have gotten himself stuck in the past if he'd known he'd be stuck there beforehand. That would be absolutely ridiculous. I'm not speculating, I'm tying together things from past episodes and coming up with a logical conclusion. The producers even said that things from past episodes would be answered here. Neptune -  Everything's impossible until somebody does it.  03:19, March 20, 2015 (UTC)


 * But he could have been fighting the adult Barry beforehand and used that as a weakness to exploit on the adult Barry as well. We just know he was there to kill Barry but he didn't specified which. Another explanation for him killing the adult Barry is for all we know he the Adult Barry could have been brain washed and he had to kill him but accidentally killed Nora. No matter how well your argument is, there's always an argument to protect the other side, which is why I am adamant against putting stuff like this in articles unless the show directly says/shows it. I edit in an unbiased way. Also, it was also "logical" to assume that yellow flash that transported Barry was Eobard (since someone put it there and it remained there for a long time) before I took it off since we now know that was a false. Plus what the producers said, it was very vague. So I would say you are speculating. What's a few weeks to be 100% sure? If the coming episodes prove he really intended to kill the young Barry, I will no longer stop your edit. In fact, I'll be happy to do it myself.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 05:28, March 20, 2015 (UTC)


 * For once, I'd have to say I agree with Cloud. While it seems logical that he went back for young Barry, it's not confirmed. It's quite easily possible that they were having some sort of "time-travel fight", jumping through time and eventually ending up there, with Eobard killing Nora. Until one is confirmed, it's wrong to assume such a thing, as technically there were 2 Barrys present. —MakeShift (talk page) 07:37, March 20, 2015 (UTC)


 * Good point, regarding the time travel fight. It's Flashpoint all over again: in the comic, Barry decided to stop Thawne from killing his mom, which meant both speedsters travelling the timestream at the same time to reach the same point in time. I'm starting to think a time loop of sorts is happening. This is pure speculation, but remember Eobard wants to kill Barry. However, he needs Barry to become the Flash so he could become the Reverse Flash, gain the speed powers, and stuff. What if Thawne DID find out in the future how to stabilize his powers, then went to kill kid Barry thinking now he could obliterate his nemesis, but adult Barry followed him, and the dual mega-timewarp to Nora Allen's death destabilized Thawne's powers since they were "borrowed" of sorts? Now, he needs Barry to become the Flash and unlock his full powers so Thawne can fully stabilize his own. I'm still trying to wrap my head around it, but something is seriously going on. RinneSharingan (talk) 00:10, March 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * Judging from your name I can only assume you're a Naruto fan. So you know those plot holes/cliffhangers can really be annoying. But there's only one thing to do: wait it out.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 04:33, March 27, 2015 (UTC)

Eobard's real face
Should we change the picture for the civilian identity for Eobard Thawne? We know what he looks like, and although he looks like Harrison Wells NOW, that isn't his real face. This just a suggestion. If you decide to go through with it, here's a picture. AmanRises (talk) 00:04, April 6, 2015 (UTC)


 * We already have a photo of actual eobard in his article. We're using Wells' face because that is still him and it shows what he looks like now. Also, please view our image policies. 00:08, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

185.58.19.238 14:56, May 25, 2015 (UTC)TimeShade, what about when Eobard was being erased from existence, his Harrison Wells face morphed back into his original face, and dies that way. Should we change his profile pic to his original face then?185.58.19.238 14:56, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

I have put Eobard's real face in. Maymichael (talk) 22:36, August 10, 2015 (UTC)

No I think he means change the bio column so it has the real face of Eobard, like a picture of him spying on Harrison and Tess on the beach, that's the best shot of him we see in the entire show Flashdancer911 (talk) 08:34, October 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, that is technically a younger version of him. Just like using a flashback pic of Oliver as his infobox pic. 08:36, October 28, 2015 (UTC)

Typo
... because the page is protected.

 He is also very layback about what happens to him 

Laid back not layback, that is grammatically incorrect. TheAlexofEvil (talk) 15:25, May 20, 2015 (UTC)

Should we replace Eobard's civilian pic to his original face as when he was erased from existence, his H. Wells face morphed back to the real Eobard face?185.58.19.238 18:42, May 20, 2015 (UTC)

Dr. Wells VS Eobard Thawne
I just edited the page, and I noticed that many stuff about the character is written like: "Wells went to secret room", when I'm wondering should all those be replaced with "Eobard went to secret room" type. I know it's most likely written before we knew his name was really Eobard. I only replaced first Wells with "Wells" in ":s. What do you think?

JoeyTr (talk) 15:40, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

Possibility of Becoming a Living Paradox
When Eddie shot/killed himself to pevent Eobard from being born, the events involving Eobard would not have happened, including Eddie shooting himself. Therefore, Eddie would have lived and Eobard would have been born. However, Eobard being born would cause all events involving Eobard to happen, including Eddie shooting himself. Thus, Eobard would become a living paradox, possibily akin to the Flashpoint Paradox where he will exist in the timeline regardless of the events that happened.

KK 96.50.80.131 23:00, May 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm new to this wiki and new to the show, but I used to read quite a few DC comics. Anyway, when I first saw the episode where Eddie killed himself, I couldn't help but think the same thing you mentioned. If Eddie died then Eobard would not have been able to go back and do all the stuff with the particle accelerator and so forth. It would have created a divergent timeline. In that case, it wouldn't make sense for it to make Eobard disappear because it would have been affecting a different version of the timeline.Suceress (talk) 06:54, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

Google Easter Egg
This isn't related to the shows, but I just found out about a cool Easter Egg in Google Translate and idk if you guys know about it or not. If you go to Google Translate and set the languages as "Spanish to English" and type in Eobard Thawne in the Spanish side, it translates to Professor Zoom on the English side.

HorrorFan01 (talk) 12:01, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

The wheelchair & apparent handicap
I was wondering what people think about the whole bit where it seems that Eobard (as Wells) pretended to be paralyzed. I get that they said it was so he could sit in his wheelchair with the power supply that basically charged his speedforce, but couldn't he have devised some other method to charge up that would allow him to walk? When he ran out of speed power in one of the episodes, he also seemed to lose the ability to walk. So, does anyone else think that his handicap was actually somewhat legitimate and that he was left unable to walk for awhile and needed to sit in the charging chair to restore his energy? I also wonder why it seems that his team didn't seem to be trying to find a way to cure his apparent paralysis (unless he said that he felt he deserved it as penance for the havoc caused by the accelerator accident-- but I could still see the team wanting to argue with him on that). And how the hell did the police not notice that his house did not appear to be ADA compliant? LOL. OK, maybe they assumed he has a maid or housekeeper or something who does stuff for him or that he's developed some tech to raise his chair up higher or something. Anyone else have thoughts on this?Suceress (talk) 07:00, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

Trivia or Behind the scenes?
Not sure if anyone is interested in this, but something that I found to be an interesting bit of trivia: on the show "Eli Stone", Tom Cavanagh played the late father of Matt Letscher's character. Also, Victor Garber played the head of a lawfirm on that program. The show was produced by the same people who made this show, so I think that is why they chose certain actors. Just throwing that out there if anyone thinks it should be added in to the wiki somewhere. Not sure if it would go under trivia or behind-the-scenes though. I'm guessing the latter rather than the former though.Suceress (talk) 18:36, November 25, 2015 (UTC)

We should use an image of Eobard's real face
Considering the fact that Eobard Thawne has indeed returned this season – in his original appearance with his real face – we should use an image of his original face in this article. Calli11298 (talk) 03:40, January 27, 2016 (UTC)
 * I've done a method where 3 images can be used. 04:23, January 27, 2016 (UTC)
 * I disagree. Even though it's his "real" face, it's not his "main" one in this universe – Letscher-Eobard appeared in four episodes (two of them being just cameos, mere seconds), while Cavanagh-Eobard appeared in twenty-five episodes with a lot of screentime in all but one. I like the idea of having all three images in the infobox, but I think the default picture should be Cavanagh-Eobard. He's the main version. - Ver-mont (talk) 18:27, March 31, 2016 (UTC)

Eobard's status
So due to time travel shenanigans Eobard Thawne came to the "present" from a closer "future" than the one in the first season, so should we still keep the death date?

Eobard is going to die at the end of Season 1 and his future self is still unborn so his birth-death should be intact while his status should be Unborn (Future Self) and Alive (Present Self)Kaestal (talk) 09:49, January 27, 2016 (UTC)

Harrison/Eobard Reference
I think another reference to Arrow Season 2 should be included. In the episode The Man Under The Hood, Caitlin Snow mentions his name.

Shoudn't there be an edit to Eobard's page regarding the events that occured this week on Flash, and Barry's interaction to Eobard/Harrison? 169.139.0.21 13:37, March 31, 2016 (UTC)


 * I think so. I'll leave it to someone who edits more regularly. Life is too crazy right now for me to focus enough to really sum up what happened.Suceress (talk) 06:44, April 2, 2016 (UTC)