Board Thread:Arrow episode discussions/@comment-24494245-20150325200112/@comment-24494245-20150328040236

Okay so I have finally seen the episode and caught up!

I was thinking how nice the weeding was going to be and then Oliver who I know is late for stuff and can be ditsy but he's his best man and I don't think he had it in him to let john down on that so it made no sense that he wasn't there for him and wasn't true to his personality - cut back to john telling him he was like a 2nd brother in the dungeon of Nanda Parbat when they were hoping the would live and Oliver was totally moved by his request hence it feels wrong he did not then take it sinceriously.

You can photoshop him in if there are no pictures of him. Just saying. Surely they hired the photographer to take some pictures during the ceremony and will have some of them all together then?

Enter Felicity - noted in the red dress because of the fan and producers posts and perhaps in a nod to the first date in 3x01. She and Oliver exchange a simple you look good glance at each other but then when does Oliver not look great? Lol

Ray enters as her guest and introduces himself to John - I LOVED that Diggle then threatens Ray - nothing to do with Oliver he has taken on a big brother role for both of them, he helps Oliver by knowing him better than himself and he supports and protect Felicity by encouraging her to believe in herself the way they do. To be fair I think diggle could do it too or at least Ray would regret it.

Ray and Oliver doing the whole let's not talk about the elephant in the room greeting where they make small talk is not unsurprisingly interrupted by the revelation that the officiate has been sent on a mission. But Ray has an answer, I asume there will be an explanation to his minister qualifications at some point but then we get to the ceremony.

I have a love of weddings and I have planned and helped and been in 5. Never has any of them been that short. Like it starts at 8am and you are still up and wearing your outfits at 2am. I think too short and there was little chance to play with all the folks who were at the wedding as we caught only a glimpse of Roy and Thea and Laurel glances through briefly.

Laurel has not sucked in the last two episodes and that is a good thing for the future of the Canary. I like that she has teamed with Nyssa and look forward to more of that duo in the upcoming episodes or even next series with Laurel actually able to hold her own in a fight and be a force to reckon with instead of just swinging her big stick and trying to punch everyone. Oliver is surely not so slow that he hasn't got an idea that she is up to something and yet true to Laurels assessment of the situation he has other issues - felicity arrives with the bouquet - I would have actually liked to have seen that rather than her just walk over with it, also Oliver could have asked her to dance and done that scene - he can dance I know he says he won't but he could have for that as the best man should dance Really with the bridesmaid of which I saw a random woman holding baby Sara and yet how much I love of a nod to Felicity if he was willing to slow dance with her! Also as a socialising multi-billionaire he MUST have been at dinner dances before the island and had to do the basics.

Okay rant about that part over, the conversation between Oliver and Felicity was all him checking she was happy and him convincing himself this is for the best. Felicity didn't have a choice in them as he keeps telling her how he loved her and then tells her that it can never be pushing her away. No surprise that she is trying to find love and support from Ray as she craves it from him and cannot get it. He has become strained around Felicity he literally doesn't want to be in the room alone with her because he feels for her and is holding it in and keeps saying he cannot be with anyone - lets go there later on. Check out the look she gets when she smiles and says she is very happy but then Oliver says he only wanted her to be happy and have a normal life but then she is looking at dyla she looks sad and her smile falls - happy but not with who she wants to be and this is face slap Oliver moment number one - seriously you love her, she loves you just get together already!

The news that The Arrow is killing again and everyone looking at Oliver like did you - uh no I think we covered this he has been a no kill hero for nearly 2 seasons now. Then they get to its night and Dylan's wedding is over already, everyone except Laurel and Thea is in The Arrow cave- although Thea knows it would seem she is still not yet a part of the group and I asume just went home to the loft where Merlyn is recuperating. Good for Thea as she needed the focus away from her character this week in order to balance the writing out.

While watching the press conference - noticing then how fast Laurel went home got changed into ADA looking work wear and was now on TV. Felicity had no idea What Ray was going to say but then the question running through my head was why do we have Ray there at all? The Mayor has to respond to the news, Lance has to respond as the Police Captain and Laurel as the current ADA but then what the man with the most money in the city then gets to weigh in on any press conferences? If Palmer had had his own press conference I would have got it like at the office after the Mayor who didn't say anything and handed over to him - she has had like 2 lines since she came into office - this is Christina Cox who had her own series in Blood Ties and has been on other shows - not using her to the best as she is no newbie.

So a surprise Felicity hits the computers to get info, Roy disappears to 'hot the streets' and then Diggle and Layla are sent to their honeymoon by Oliver - I kind of get it but also if it were me it would eat at me that I left him when it seemed to be kicking off.

Yeah we did also like some shirtless training thrown in there as well. Just saying.

Low and behold Deadshot in there to rain on the parade - hope the honeymoon was refundable!

Amanda Waller - sooooooo much there we need to see and also use! I mean Oliver has said to her he only demoted her off his kill list as there were bigger fish to fry - so he really really hates her - clear why though to be fair. Could we get some of that tension back? Or could Amanda need saving?

Next thing is Layla and diggle are on a mission for some senator - what was he doing there?! And low and behold Cupid is going to have to fill the crazy girl shoes of Harlequinn due to copyrights laws etc. I liked her in her own crazy episode but she is more of the flash style character and feels at times just a bit too sickly and cheesy in Arrow. She still has a thing for Oliver's alter ego but seems quite happy where she is and assuming they are still putting controlling bombs in their spines she seems unbothered to be in the team and Deadshot is loose and bringing dyla in for briefing not in a cell - little too lax or have they fought for the squad to be treated better?

If I'm being honest the whole suicide squad story seemed a distraction for the first half, but then they seemed to think that they weren't going to make it because if a few bombs - uh can you just leave that bit, disarm one, there was surely something they could have done that was alternative to doom. Deadshot was good, but I felt the flashback although gave a lot of good stuff didn't have enough of the good - I wanted more with his wife as a happy couple to see it break up also Zoe will have seen pictures and her mum will have spoken about him so that she was like who is this person was a little rough and unbelievable. But the PTSD WAS GOOD. the fact that he has been a sniper and killing has stayed and damaged him when he gets home but like many he will not face that there is something wrong and it destroys his life - his wife didn't really fight to save the man she loved and although I agree the gun event was a massive thing that she could not ignore especially in front of Zoe but then she seems to push him away completely and never tries to get her Man back. Sad. But then in comes the offer and it's not argus but HIVE that bail him out, so this will obviously be the begining of a HIVE arc for end of this series and the start of the next.

Arrow imposters - like daisies seem to pop out of the ground. Now the only questions I could think about apart from how good the fight sequences always are was Ra's has a really good tailor and local supply of Arrow costumes they were apparently easy to produce on mass. 2nd this in that sequence was that the guys that Oliver has just pummelled and Maseo manage to disappear in like 3 seconds - not possible.

Maseo - a man cannot live by two names. I would hope he would see the light and choose Maseo over Sarab at some point as he was never bad and yet now he seems besotted with Ra's yet was willing to risk his wrath saving Oliver on the cliff - or was that Ra's plan all along? Also his principles are so far shifted from the family and honour - what on earth did he do in the League to think that what he's doing to Oliver is right or justified? That is a story I'd like to see.

Ray - he happens by and doesn't see anything at all about the fight the multiple Arrows and the Arrow fighting multiple versions of himself then seems to use some pretty sketchy photoshop and comes up with a bad cgi head he determined is Oliver. Ugh he's about to be a douche about it all. Sorry.

Revealing to Felicity he knows who Oliver is and then he proceeds to blame her for not telling him and for not being trust worthy. Now he was right when he said he has been open with her in some respects BUT he didn't tells her who he was when he went to the store to buy from her, he didn't tell her about his bid to take over Queen Consolodated, he then ping'd her phone, bought her company so he hasn't been really that honest really. Then he didn't tell her that the suit was working when he had been out in it the night they slept together. So his I've been all open is maybe a little stretch. Felicity didn't share her info on the arrow and she didn't share the atom either - her problem being that she is caught between two great men and has to keep both their secrets - I think she may have done something if she'd thought they had ever been a threat to each other but this spiralled out of control too quickly. She tries to tell him who Oliver really is but all he can see is that she didn't tell him about the Arrow - but why would she he wants her to keep his secret so then he throws all his toys out the pram. She does have feelings for Oliver, they are not gone but she has to lock them up and put it aside as he refuses to be with her. Like a form of torture I love you but go away!

Felicity tells Oliver that Ray knows - I love Roy being the humour sidekick he has taken this role in a lot of the arrow cave scenes as the kind of boy Wonder and the lighter side of Oliver. That Oliver would be angry is understandable "when were you going to tell me this!?" But I think also he's asking who is she loyal to as he would have expected her to tell him everything - not thinking that she is living by the rules of two superheroes not just one has out her in this position. She's more worried about the revelation going public and to the police and it would seem Oliver is kind of lost as to what to do - one of only a few times we've seen him not having something to do or a plan which I thought makes him more humble and human.

Ray faces Laurel - Laurel flattens his evidence and to be fair she had a point some un verified digital data and his statement which would leave out his being in the super suit so asks more questions about how and when he saw this - did he think that he could run in there with a picture and a cover story and have them fall over themselves to arrest people? This further supports Oliver in the upcoming scene where he says Ray is so new at this he has no idea what he's doing. Thankfully laurel shuts him down and then he making the link says she is protecting him - uh duh!

Oliver facing Ray - "super suit" lol made me laugh, Ray's arrogance at naming himself a hero before he has done anything heroic is annoying. Money and a fancy suit does not a hero make. Ray tries to reason that Oliver went nuts on the island but we know better, a olives doesn't try to explain himself he just says I didn't kill people and you should trust Felicity. Ray being headstrong just doesn't get it and thinks he will stop crime in the streets. Yet he has never done anything to save anyone, in the one situation he froze and freaked yet believed if he had the suit he could do anything - stupid but a defence system. He could have better spent his time and money inventing stuff that would help the police, protect people etc but he's trying to make up for the moment he feels he let Anna down and she died - the entire reason for his motivation. But he is going to have to hit rock bottom to deal with that and then rebuild himself as he's still hiding behind the suit.

More suicide squad - senator is a bad guy, save all the other people I just didn't really feel invested. If they hadn't saved all the people I don't think I would have been upset. Cupid's love transfer to Deadshot was a little funny and a bit of a relief but yeah I got the flash backs they were good, he was good I like the character but I was more focused on what was happening in starling city.

Oliver and Felicity talk - I loved this open and honest conversation it was exactly why olicity is so strong. He says Ray is unstable and he's kind of right. He hasn't had that moment when he's the hero for the right reasons he's like Malcolm before the League but he will have to fail and hit bottom to realise it and yeah it's high stakes but he doesn't see that. I thought it was an bit mean for Felicity to say that Oliver would be ok with Ray ending up dead as shes already defended him on that and it was just hurtful. The next part of the argument was her saying Ray wants to be the human and the hero - touching a nerve with Oliver he says he told her they can't be together and save the city. So he chose Starling City. That hurts her, but it is Oliver's argument that Ray is so wet behind the ears he doesn't realise the choices he will face. What also punches her in the emotions is that he's saying her relationship won't work and it's doomed and I think she is going to have that in her head eating away at her, as she may pull away from Ray to protect herself as she starts to be affected by Oliver's approach to love.

The Arrow and Atom face off - so although the he called in the 911 call he wasn't there already? Then he lands and fires an untested weapon at people and then electrocutes Roy. My issues with the scene was there was no real fighting that the suit was a giant clunking disappointment and that not only was Oliver looking left when the Atom was clearly visible flying at him from the right but that poor Roy was unconscious, left on the street and wasn't actually seen the rest of the episode - perhaps an oversight but really a giant illuminated hole in the show. This face off was not what I hoped it would be only The dialogue at the end when Oliver confronts him was of any real weight.

Olicity and previous tension seemed diffused after Oliver's return to the arrow after the face off hd she was smiling and happy that he was ok and Ray had listened. This seemed too easy after the intensity of their previous conversation. He again like he's become allergic to closeness to her physically as he responds like a recoil and although he's happy she's happy it's just so much unsaid and unrealised. Talk about stressing!

Deadshot isn't dead. Pretty sure he's in the spin off series so nope not dead, was a split second of whaaaaaat but yeah not going for that. Wish they would fill in some more about Andrew Diggle but there a little Easter eggs of that so it's maybe coming next season.

The revelation - Ray seemed to completely change his hardest mindset. about everything after a few lines with the Arrow, seemed a little weak but at least it moves him on. He apologises to Felicity and then she seems eager to run into the relationship possible after effect of Oliver's words that heroes can't have love be successful perhaps she is trying to prove him wrong by running headfirst - Diggle is a hero and has love and a family, Ray wants both and is open to it, Roy is open to Thea and love, Sara was open, Helena even found her desire for love but the only one who will not let it in is Oliver.

I hope the Mayor isn't dead, it would be too cruel to do that to Christina. Maseo is crossing a line, don't know if he can come back from this he's aiming at Felicity and knows exactly what she means to Oliver - how he would have felt had Oliver done the same to Tatsu he would have killed him. This will not end well. Guessing though that Ray takes one for team felicity as we have seen him in hospital next episode so is this the point where raylicity says enough?

I am looking forward to mama smoak and to getting something about felicity's dad.

Wow I wrote a lot! Sorry about the ranting. Lol agree or disagree with the above? Any other ideas or thoughts?