Board Thread:DC's Legends of Tomorrow discussions/@comment-9346948-20171129021421/@comment-33205590-20171203160924

Stryzzar wrote:

Ninja72 wrote:

Stryzzar wrote:

Ninja72 wrote:

Stryzzar wrote:

Ninja72 wrote:

Stryzzar wrote:

Ninja72 wrote:

Stryzzar wrote:

Ninja72 wrote:

I really do not understand, why everybody says that Savitar was lame. He was awesome in my opinion. Personally because he was very generic in his claims of godhood, especially compared to Eobard who was a complex tragic villain, or Zoom who was extremely intimidating. Also the arc of his identity was dragged out way too long, by the point where there was no room left to develop his character. Upon discovering who he was that made him the easiest to defeat since he was connected to Barry and was also had Barry as a weakness. Eobard was a tragic villain? How? Yes, he just wanted to go home and he is a bit symphatetic for that, but his reason for hating The Flash and trying to kill him was really pathetic. If anything, Savitar is the tragic villain, as he was only evil, because Team Flash were huge jerks to him. Well Eobard was one of the least evil Big Bads out of the Arrowverse. He only did things when they posed a threat to him returning home, and he genuinely cared about Team Flash and Barry. That was the old Eobard, by the time he became Wells he had changed a lot. Savitar lost a lot of sympathy when he's willing to kill his own wife for self-preservation. He did have it hard with being rejected by Team Flash, but really disproportionate response. Are you forgetting that rejection from Team Flash is  not the only bad thing that has happenned to Savitar. He had already lost his mother, his father, Iris, and I guess being abandoned by the people closest to him was the final traumatic thing that had to happen to Barry Allen to make him evil. While Eobard did grow to care for the present Barry, he still hated Future Barry for his pathetic reasons. That does not excuse killing your own wife. Eobard went after those he hated, while Savitar went for his own loved one. Except Eobard started off as a nasty person who mellowed out and became better, not a fallen hero who couldn't take rejection and decided to be a petty dick who proclaims himself to be a god.

By the time of season 1, Eobard had stated it no longer mattered about the original reasons why he and Barry hated each other. By that point both of them had done so much to each other and given so many reasons to hate one another. They both have done so much to each other? Really? Thawne took Barry  s mother from him and framed his father for it, What exactly has Barry taken from Thawne? Nothing. Also the what you  said about Savitar being a petty dick, who could not take rejection, made it sound like Team Flash were in the right, while they were not. They basically abandoned him for not being "the real" Barry, despite the fact that time remnants are as real as the original. He is not a dick, they were the people, he cared about the most, the people who he would do anything to save, and they just abandoned him, of course he would want revenge,  Just so far what we've seen on the Flash (with presumably far more from Future Barry): Barry stopped him from returning to the future, Barry trapped him in a cage in Flashpoint for three months, Barry foiled his plan to kill his younger self which made him so mad. Eobard has a huge amount of pride and getting humiliated by Barry constantly really pisses him off.

That time remnant stuff is up for debate. Prior to season 3, time remnants only purposes was to be expendable sacrifices. Never had there been one that survived before so they had no way of knowing one of them would be real, they probably thought he would fade away or go back to his own time before Barry snatched him out.

So being sad justifies killing your loved ones? With Eobard the people he antagonizes were never his loved ones, but with Savitar they are. That's what makes it so much more bad with Savitar because they are supposed to be people he felt close to and cared about at one point. Eobard was always a lunatic without Barry's principles, while Savitar just throws out every bit of heroism like none of it had ever mattered. That Flashpoint thing does not count, as this Eobard was a time remnant, and the Eobard in Season 1 had never expirienced that. Also, being humiliated is not nearly as bad as losing a loved one, and Eobard would have never been humiliated, if he did not start trying to kill The Flash for his pathetic reasons. As for Savitar, they abandoned him for stupid reasons, of course he would no longer care about them, and hate them. As for the time remnant thing, Barry explained to them, how they are "created" in the Season 2 finale, so there is no logical reason to assume that if they survive, they wuld just return to their own time, or fade away. I just do not know why do you keep defending Team Flash, they are the obviously the real villain the Savitar story. So you do admit that a time remnant is not the same as the real thing?

So knowing what's it's like to have a loved one killed, that makes it right to kill another loved one let alone your own loved one? The actual reason behind Eobard's villainy going by both the show and the comics is he went mad from predeterminism theory. He wanted to meet his idol, the Flash, but instead found out he was destined to be the Flash's archnemesis which caused him to snap. So instead of fighting fate, he embraced it.

I'm not defending Team Flash, I'm saying what Savitar went through doesn't give him the right to do what he did. So he got rejected? Boo hoo, happens to people all the time. Does that mean every heartbroken person is entitled to go and be a killer? That would still make Savitar a tragic villain. Just because his actions aren't justified doesn't mean he's not a tragic villain. Take Black Siren, for example. Many people consider her a tragic villain. Her Oliver were killed on the boat. Does that justify her many killings? Boo hoo, happens to people all the time.