Board Thread:DC's Legends of Tomorrow discussions/@comment-9346948-20171129021421/@comment-2054358-20171202193736

Ninja72 wrote: SeanWheeler wrote:

Yoshimickster wrote: The man is a straight up living paradox, like in the current comics but even MORE confusing! If you thought Thawne was a straight up living paradox, Savitar is even worse. While Thawne is a Grandfather Paradox, Savitar is both a Grandfather Paradox AND a Bootstrap Paradox. Two different time travel theories that can't fit together. A Double Paradox. He started as watching his future self murder his fiance, so he could only exist if he kills his ex-fiance Iris West. But HR died in her place, breaking the time loop. But that time loop was only put in the timeline after Barry did Flashpoint as evident when the newspaper in the Time Vault was written by Iris West-Allen before Savitar came along. At least Eobard had came from an alternate timeline. Savitar just came out of a time loop from nowhere that was ended up broken. At leat they explaned his origin story, while Thawne s return has not been explained. While Thawne's return was terribly explained, Savitar's origin has terrible logic. Thawne had to keep existing in the timeline because Eddie's suicide to erase him from existence created a paradox loop, so Thawne had to stay in the timeline as someone from an averted future. How he ended up on Earth-X after Black Flash caught him is a mystery. But Savitar was a time loop that could only exist to kill Iris West. A time loop like that could only exist in a story that uses the Novikov Self-Consistency Principle and not in a story that allows you to change history. He did say about time travel "the more you do it, the less the rules apply to you." His own existence breaks the established time travel rules. Jay made a point to Barry that when you change the past, you could try to fix it but it wouldn't be exactly the same. With those kind of rules, how can a time loop even happen? Oh yeah, the more you do it the less the rules apply. Not only did Savitar break the rules of the show, he erased them with an excuse for the writers to do whatever they want with time travel.