Board Thread:Questions and Answers/@comment-28265951-20160421125919/@comment-27934866-20180103183022

Ninja72 wrote: Katchin wrote: Neither has if it was always the Time Remnant that Team Flash fought and not another villain altogether. If Team Flash always fought the Time Remnant what was the original event that lead to his creation?

As The Wikia Editor mentioned it's fun to speculate, and that Arrowverse doesn't operate in accordance with the Predestination Paradox unless one is caused.

There have been at least three other Bootstrap Paradoxes in the series.

Flash and Reverse Flash.

Original Event: Barry becomes The Flash in 2020, but in 2024 Eobard Thawne causes a Predestination Paradox which changes the origins of The Flash.

Current Timeline: When 2024 comes around and Barry chases Eobard back to 2000 the origins of The Flash will become a Bootstrap Paradox.

Reverse Flash's Origin Story.

Original Event: Eobard Thawne duplicates the reaction that gave Barry his powers. He travels back to the past to meet his idol. Realising he will never live up to The Flash's name it starts a war that earns them the title of The Flash's Greatest Enemy, and creates a Predestination Paradox in the process.

Current Timeline: When Eobard gains his powers and travels back to the 20th Century and learns who he's destined to become. His origin story becomes a Bootstrap Paradox.

Flash Back.

Original Event: Team Flash defeat Pied Piper, but a year later requiring information from Eobard Thawne, Barry goes back to the day he battled Pied Piper gaining the information he required and setting things in motion for when he returns to the present creating a Predestination Paradox.

Current Timeline: Barry returns to the present moments after his Time Remnant goes into the past. Team Flash and Hartley Rathaway defeat the Time Wraith turning 1x11 and 2x17 into a Bootstrap Paradox.

"Your duplicate died, saving the Multiverse. And you continued your happy little life. And it would've stayed that way. But then you decided to play God. You created Flashpoint. And changed everything." This (plus Savitar's riddles) is how we're told the circumstances behind Season 3 instead of it being told to us all at once either in the series finale, or a few episodes before it. You just put Past, Present, and Future together.

You're also not taking into consideration that this Bootstrap Paradox has no doubt happened at least a few times. In the Original Event no doubt the enemy was killed otherwise he'd be the one trapped in the Speed Force. After the Time Remnant erases the origins of Savitar by becoming Savitar himself, he then recreates his own origins by causing Barry to create the Time Remnants ensuring his existence, but in 2020 he's imprisoned in the Speed Force. After escaping from the Speed Force in 2016 he recreates the circumstances that lead to his birth and imprisonment only this time around the Death, Betrayal, and FWTD come into play. Before he's released again, this time he has the Death, Betrayal, and FWTD prophecies to use against Team Flash. There is no original event, dont you understand. It doesnt matter if it doesnt make sense, Savitar even said the more you time travel, the less the rules apply to you. The show clearly said to us that this is just an endless paradox, accept that there is no original event. And Savitar just meant that this loop came into existence only in the Post-Flashpoint timeline.

Barry killing himself wouldn't of stopped Savitar's birth because all he would have to do is create a Time Remnant and the loop would continue. That's what Savitar meant by the more you time travel, the less the rules apply to you. It's similar to how Zari hacks the Timeline with Helen of Troy because the Trojan War happens with or without her i.e. Savitar's origin can happen with or without Barry.

Once the Bootstrap Paradox is created nothing is meant to make sense, but every Bootstrap Paradox I've looked into I've worked out a series of events that can lead to their creation.

Then again you've got your opinions, and I have mine. So just leave it at that.