Board Thread:Questions and Answers/@comment-28265951-20160421125919/@comment-27934866-20180102001202

Ninja72 wrote: Katchin wrote:

Ninja72 wrote:

Uriel Exor wrote: Season 2 Thawne wasn't a Time Remnant. That was only Harry's suggestion. He debunks it himself after they talk with Eobard. Wellsobard's origin story was on season 2. Not going to happen in a different timeline. And, yeah, Wellsobard is a big liar. I think he lied even about his time period as well. No way he is from the 22nd century. It makes no sense. He has to be from the 25th century. "He has to be from the 25th century", and what proof do you have of that? Nothing in the show suggests that, except from him saying that people are dead for centuries, and he is most likely just exaggerating. Your theories are what does not make sense. You think there is an original Savitar, but if there really was a one, they would have told us so in the show. You think Mallus is Vandal Savage. You think Flash and Zoom created the Philosopher s stone during their race. Most of your theories are exteremely ridicilous, and yet you are absolutely sure about some of them and present them as fact, like this one and the Savitar one. Drawing the line between fiction and reality.

In the comics Iris was born in the 30th century. So were the Tornado Twins (her children), and Impulse (her grandson). Whereas in the live-action series she was born to Francine and Joe in 1989, and Wally's not her nephew, he's her brother.

As much as I'd like Eobard to be from the 25th Century it's difficult to do it in live-action. Due to the fact he's Malcolm's/Eddie's grandson, and Barry's great-nephew it's difficult to span that across 438 years. When Eobard mentions people being dead to him for centuries he is most likely exaggerating because he's gone centuries ahead, not just centuries before.

During the original circumstances Team Flash no doubt fought a version Savitar similar to his comic book counterpart. However after being shunned and left broken, what starts out as a Predestination Paradox to erase the origins of Savitar, the Time Remnant becomes Savitar himself recreating all the events he went through erasing his own origins and creating a Bootstrap Paradox.

No comment on Mallus, or the Philosopher's Stone. Nope they always fought the remnant. They never fought another Savitar. We're told in the series that everything revolving around Savitar is a closed loop. So it's a Bootstrap Paradox because there's no origin i.e. He exists without ever being created. However there's nothing to say a Bootstrap Paradox can't be created.

1. Time Journal. Say I was to record events that happen over the next 50 years in a Journal. It records dates, times, and the whereabouts that certain events take place, and possibly a few lottery results. When my time is nigh I take the Time Journal back to a place in the past where my younger self will find it and the last entry in the Time Journal is take the book back to when it was found. So the first trip back is a Predestination Paradox, but from then on it's a Bootstrap Paradox because by taking the Time Journal back over and over its origins have been erased, and no doubt depending how things play out, each time the Time Journal is taken back its entries will change.

2. Blue Suede Shoes. Written and recorded by Carl Perkins in December 1955, released in Febuary 1956. Years later Elvis Presley makes his own version of the song which becomes a favourite of mine. If I was to take the song lyrics back to October 1955 and give them to Carl Perkins the Song will be released in December 1955 (based on the 2 month difference). This will erase the origins of the song because Carl Perkins will never have written it, but he will still get the credit for it then years in the future I'll take it back again so it's another circumstance where the first trip back is Predestination Paradox, but afterwards it's a Bootsrap Paradox. If it creates a Hitler Paradox (my actions in the past erase the reason I went back in the first place), I just have to leave a message in the past for my younger self to recieve.

3. Back to the Future. Marty McFly lives with an unsuccessful family, but the Predestination Paradox he creates by going back 30 years completely changes his family history. When Marty returns to 1985 20 minutes before he goes back in time he sees his Time Remnant (who lives with a successfull family) take the DeLorean back to 1955 turning the whole series of events into a Bootstrap Paradox.

Basically what I'm saying is there had to be an original series of events involving Savitar that were different e.g. According to Eobard's history, The Flash didn't come into existence until 2020, but in 2024 Eobard causes a Predestination Paradox which changes the origins of The Flash. In the Current Timeline when 2024 comes around and Barry chases Eobard back to 2000 the origins of The Flash will become a Bootstrap Paradox. So there had to be a different series of events that lead to the creation of the Time Remnant which then lead to him becoming Savitar. Which leads to the theory of it was version of Savitar similair to the comic book version, and the Time Remnant erases his origins and becomes Savitar himself therefore having to recreate the circumstances that lead to his creation.