User talk:TimeShade

Ep template
Hey, I apologise if I am too demanding, but could you please answer my question from the previous message?Ninja72 (talk) 17:30, October 17, 2018 (UTC)

Alright, sorry for being too impatient.Ninja72 (talk) 17:35, October 17, 2018 (UTC)

Hey, I was just wondering if you have already decided what to do on the matter?Ninja72 (talk) 17:02, November 10, 2018 (UTC)

Hey TimeShade,

Since the new seasons of the Arrowverse have arrived, shouldn't we celebrate by using a brand new slogan for the wiki? "This Wiki is Bitchin" has been here for a long time...I was thinking about:

This Wiki is Schway!

What do you think? :) Hillshadow (talk) 17:47, October 17, 2018 (UTC)

RE: Ben Turner
I think the comics should be rescinded or at least the characters should have a non canon section. We also need to discuss Nyssa's mother since she's a comic only character. Maybe another counsel meeting?Cloudtheavenger (talk) 21:25, October 17, 2018 (UTC)

Distributor articles
What do you think about the idea of making articles about companies besides The CW who distribute it? For example Netflix or Space Channel or (formerly) CTV?

Recently in Canada, it appears that Space may have gotten exclusive rights to broadcast new eps of Arrow/Legends (not sure about Flash) because I see them airing on Space and not CTV like they used to.

This sort of thing inhibits people without higher subscriptions from following the Arrowverse in entirety (as did Supergirl moving from CTV to Showcase for season 2) and for people who fall behind as a result of that, knowing the dates which other companies make the show available could be useful, as well as for compiling alternate debut dates in subsequent formats. talk2ty 16:32, October 18, 2018 (UTC)

Former Team Flash members
So basically some of the characters that are in the team flash category have left it. Shouldn't there be a special sub-category for them?

Sky, Shoot me an arrow! My watch says it's 13:23, October 20, 2018 (UTC)

Spoiler Policy
If I may make a suggestion. I think it's better if we make small exceptions to the spoiler policy like character names before their names are stated, but are confirmed by the directors and producers of the show. Following it strictly makes finding new character pages a nuisance if their names are not yet stated such as the Longbow Hunters. The difference between naming the characters before it is stated in the show and editing information based on trailers is the characters' names will be revealed as stated by the directors and producers sooner or later. Trailers are often misleading such as the season 2 trailer for the episode where Nyssa debuted. The trailer showed her beating Roy even though he ended up not appearing in the episode.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 07:30, October 27, 2018 (UTC)
 * Good point. I retract what I said.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 07:49, October 27, 2018 (UTC)

Savitar
So I noticed the Savitar description was a bit literal such as sensing the shift in the timeline. I think that should be taken out since the entire season 3 was basically getting rid of the casual loop that caused Savitar to be created.

Also, I was MIA so idk if this still stands but I want to redo Savitar's section on Barry's page in this order

1. Created in the battle against his future self 2. Being shunned and becoming Savitar and getting imprisoned in 2020/2021. 3. Coming free and killing Iris and "freeing" himself from Barry.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 00:17, October 28, 2018 (UTC)


 * If you do agree with the edit it would be more efficient if I redid the Savitar section from the bottom up because when something is too far along, the best way to do it is to start over.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 00:25, October 28, 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes and no. The section said the war with them continued and Savitar (speaking as if the same Savitar who killed Iris continued to torment Barry) fought him in 2020. I just want to be clear that it is safe to say once he killed Iris, the Savitar that kills Iris runs away never to be seen again since he ensured his own creation and the Savitar Barry would have encountered afterward is the pre-imprisoned Savitar. Long story short, it contains traces of old information that clashes with what we established is the correct chronological order of events from Savitar's perspective.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 03:55, October 28, 2018 (UTC)

Silencer's surname
Are you aware that the Silencer on Arrow is a direct adaption of her comic book counterpart whose real name is Honor Guest? I did some research to see if she's an original character, but she's not because her comic debut came out months before her live-action debut. AtomicBombshell29 (talk) 16:19, October 30, 2018 (UTC)

First sentence was kinda cryptic. Now I'm not gonna try and get into an argument with you but I just wanted to show you proof. That is all. https://www.cbr.com/silencer-batman-talia-al-ghul-connection/ AtomicBombshell29 (talk) 21:16, October 30, 2018 (UTC)

I get it now about the comic book characters being remixed for the shows. Sorry I didn't reply sooner. Had a busy month last month and didn't have time to catch up on Flash. When you first replied to me, I thought I rubbed you the wrong way when you took the first sentence of my first message to you. AtomicBombshell29 (talk)

Question
Do you by chance know if Smallville was the first to depict Clark Kent and Lex Luthor as best friends initially?Cloudtheavenger (talk) 05:06, November 2, 2018 (UTC)

Matt Ryan's casting status and others.
Hello I have noticed the little edit war about Matt Ryan and if he is a series regular or not. I ahve also done a little looking around and have noticed that Tom Felton was cast as series regular for The Flash Season 03 and Neal McDonough was cast as sereis regular in both Arrow Season 04 and Legends of Tomorrow Season 03 according to multiple sources, however all of the actors have been credited as "special appearence". I think that despite this they all should be in the Main Cast lists for their respective seasons due to the actors technically being cast and main characters or regulars and the since the characters are main to the story anyways (either as a "Big Bad" or members of the shows central team). If not then possibly under their own category due to their special status. Please get back to me if you can, I would appreciate it! LexLaurin (talk) 02:27, November 6, 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me so fast. Is there any way that it could be reconsidered. Personally I feel it would make more sense as they are technically cast as series regulars and not as recurring and therefore would be more accurate. If not then perhaps a different section stating they are Special Appearances though I think it's a bit overkill to have a different section just for one or two characters a season. I just don't believe they are on the same "level" as recurring characters and should be with the main list for accuracy sake. If they are going to be put in a category other than special appearance it may as well be Main Cast as they are officially stated to be instead of recurring. Just a thought for consideration. Please respond when able with you ideas LexLaurin (talk) 04:38, November 6, 2018 (UTC)

Fantastic! I'll do that and hope that the change can be made! Thank you for your time LexLaurin (talk) 05:18, November 6, 2018 (UTC)

CBS Flash
If CBS Flash were to be made canon to the Arrowverse, like Supergirl, is it possible that we could absorb the CBS Flash wiki like with Supergirl's? Kagemamoru (talk) 21:31, November 6, 2018 (UTC)

speculation
CarverSindile (talk) 01:41, November 13, 2018 (UTC) Is that better?
 * She is in the Slabside Prison because she ran afoul of an old foe in Gotham, which is an unnamed and unknown person.

CarverSindile (talk) 01:41, November 13, 2018 (UTC)

Discussion board- adding a category
Greetings, Recently Xandermac re-surfaced a post series that was proposed by ex-mod HarryEdwardCullen. "Ask mod a question" This post has been a failure on many big and small wikis. So I proposed another idea that there be a category created that goes by the name "admin/mod" which will work as an announcement category for administration/moderation team and users can use this category to communicate with admin/mods for wiki related issues. Both of us have unanimously agreed to this idea and think that it would be in the best interest of the discussion board. We would request you to please create the above mentioned category. "Admin/mod"

Reverb frost (talk)

Ping! Following up on the above request. Reverb frost (talk)

Hey I just wanted to give u a heads up that User:Arthur de Moraes Silva Barbosa made what I believe is a major violation on Oliver Queen's page, adding him to the villian status. I reverted the edit to what it was before, but I believe that User:Arthur de Moraes Silva Barbosa should be punished in some way or at the very least warned becuase the only main protagonist that should remain in the Villian section is Barry Allen due to his alternate self's actions as Savitar. Thank you for your time. (Jman321 (talk) 15:34, November 17, 2018 (UTC))

Hi Timeshade, just wanted to get your input on something; do you think that the fugitives from LOT should get a specific page for them collectively as well as the individual ones? Just a thought? Titan-of-Wisdom (talk) 00:36, November 21, 2018 (UTC)

Peter Yorke
User:Jman321 keeps adding him into the Villains category? I have reverted it twice, but he keeps adding it back. Could you please talk to him or temporarily lock the page?Ninja72 (talk) 19:18, November 21, 2018 (UTC)

Trivia Guideline
I made this with hopes it would add a new trivia guideline so we can add a guideline to refer newcomers to because trivia is a tricky section of deciding what to and not to include and if we can have it down to a science and by extension, add a guideline, it would be easier to just refer to it with newcomers rather than sit down and talk to every one of them. So far, I only have "do not add previous role overlaps to other movies and TV shows unless the show directly references to it" and an example would be Martin Stein saying whoever invented the Titanic ought to be shot.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 21:46, November 21, 2018 (UTC)

About to Quit This Wiki
The previous user pretty much hurt my reputation after he or she called me out. Wanted to tell them the truth. But now I'm afraid to speak up after the false accusations. I get that this wiki is independent. Here me out, I wanted to expand an episode page while referencing the IMDB format for the trivia section. Also make the page organized and presentable. That's all. If this message is the last one from me, then I am grateful to contribute over the last couple years. Unless I comeback once the dust settles. Well I'm not a quitter. I really am not cause I refuse to accept defeat that comes in my way. AtomicBombshell29 (talk) 01:58, November 22, 2018 (UTC)

Trivia
So have you thought about my discussion board about potentially creating or updating (if there is already one) a trivia guideline saying only to include outside information from Arrowverse only if there is a direct reference to that outside information? Trivia is a misnomer, so it often leads to edit wars, so if we can have it down to a science, it makes it easier to direct newcomers to and allows me to clean up outside trivia with no reference to Arrowverse or DC comics or movies without getting into fights.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 22:41, November 26, 2018 (UTC)

Question
Regarding how I handled the issue with **********. Did I go out of line or did I do it properly by taking it towards a discussion? Feedback would help so I don't unknowingly cross lines in the future.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 20:51, November 28, 2018 (UTC)

RE: Discussion board- adding a category
Greetings I assume you might be busy with the on going series and might not have gotten time to help me out with adding a discussion category that I previously requested for. So I took the liberty to add the category myself. I hope its ok. Reverb frost (talk)

Earth Ninety folks
I've noticed you've changed this page's name from "The Flash (Earth Ninety)" to "Earth Ninety speedster", I guess because he wasn't called "The Flash" on screen yet. But if that's true, what about all those other Earth Ninety vigilanties who were seen dead in the promo, and are called by names that weren't mentioned yet (like Green Arrow, Captain Cold, ect). And what about that speedster's suit?

Itamar20112 (talk) 09:20, December 4, 2018 (UTC)

Alright no rush. But what about the ninety's flash suit? Itamar20112 (talk) 09:27, December 4, 2018 (UTC)

I guess that solves it. Thanks. And just out of curiosity, how did you edit the wiki from your phone. Is there like a wikia app (because the fandom app doesn't seem to work on the wikis), or did you just use a browser? Itamar20112 (talk) 09:44, December 4, 2018 (UTC)

Unidentified Green Arrow-related
Hi. I noticed that you were the one who put a lock on the page for the Unidentified Green Arrow. I was wondering if you can fix the link for Jon Cortez. --Rtkat3 (talk) 18:01, December 4, 2018 (UTC)

Re: your definition
That's going to be hard or difficult since I have communication issues. Those issues are so bad that people think English is my second language even though it's my first and only language. Of course, people would probably ask me about my parents after telling them that. And I would say they were born here and so were my grandparents.

Why are all the template boxes from Arrow colored red, for characters, locations, objects etc., that are from the series Arrow, the template boxes should be colored green, but those from the series The Flash, they should be colored red, etc.--Operep (talk) 12:57, December 9, 2018 (UTC)

Re: Policies
You are again assuming I'm watching in real time because I'm way behind everybody else because I rewind it.

And that policies make well I can never edit the wikia. Why do you think I write reviews of movies in real time aka I write review movies when I'm watching them in the movie theater because if I wrote the review after I got home I would forget everything. Which is what happens here if I wait until the end plus the policy makes it where other people will be able to put the info in before I do.

Edit: I'm 10 to 20 minutes behind everybody else.

CarverSindile (talk) 01:31, December 11, 2018 (UTC)

What is with you trying to start stuff with me by assuming what thoughts are entering my head.

CarverSindile (talk) 01:35, December 11, 2018 (UTC)

My Talk Page
I would prefer if you made a new header everytime you sent a message to my talk page and not post it on the same heading because I won't get a notification that you sent me a message.

CarverSindile (talk) 01:39, December 11, 2018 (UTC)

Edit: Policies
You did assume what thoughts were in my head when you said "Stop thinking this is a contest about who edits first"

CarverSindile (talk) 01:45, December 11, 2018 (UTC)

Policies
You sent this to me:

"Firstly, you get a notification regardless if it's in a new or pre-existing header. Second, "the policy makes it where other people will be able to put the info in before I do.". Why do you care so much that other people adds info before you do then?"

I never got a notification when you sent me what is in the above quotes.

And to answer why do I care so much, simply because I rarely get to put in new information first I like doing simple edits such as putting new information in and/or fixing editing and spelling mistakes.

Edit: I like when I contribute to any wikia. It makes me feel certain emotions that I rarely feel. It makes me feel good inside that I did a good thing.

CarverSindile (talk) 01:52, December 11, 2018 (UTC)

Notification and Message
The notification/message system is broken. The orange box aka "you have new messages" box keeps popping up and I go to my talk page and I see no new messages on my talk page that includes new headers and/or pre-existing headers.

CarverSindile (talk) 02:11, December 11, 2018 (UTC)

Re:Images
Could you please elaborate more? Some of my screenshots were 480p-ish were blurry because the camera was moving in those scenes and they were the only shots available at that moment. I also acknowledge the dark pictures, and once I figure out what's making my screenshots dark, I will get to re-uploading them. As far as the quality goes, the episodes I have taken screenshots of are, in fact, 720p.

edit: I now understand what was wrong with those screenshots. I'm gonna re-upload higher quality screenshots as soon as possible. Thanks for pointing it out, actually.

2nd edit: I take back that first edit. Please elaborate because I really am getting the screenshots from a 720p video. - CosmotheChocobo (talk) 01:51, December 12, 2018 (UTC)


 * Alright, then. Thanks for clarifying! I really thought my screenshots were crap back there. CosmotheChocobo (talk) 03:15, December 12, 2018 (UTC)

Hi TimeShade, the Supergirl Season 4 10th episode is now called Suspicious Minds could you or the admins please rename the page into Suspicious Minds?

Thanks

The original timeline section in the biography section, on the Barry Allen article is gone as well as the information that was in the the original timeline section is gone, do you think you can please restore them, thank you.--Operep (talk) 20:19, December 18, 2018 (UTC)

Could you talk to OfficialBrandonF because I need his help on my story but he not talk to me on discord and twitter. Reason he won’t talk to me on discord is he afraid I say mean stuff about him but I promise I won’t. He made a threat against me to block this account. I can’t talk to him because is threatening me. Could you talk to him.

Could you talk to EmeraldTulip became he say bad word front of me. I the fanfiction site he call me a fucked just 3 or more time and he accused ne of stalking but I not because I has proof. In the picture I ask him a question.



In the picture I ask him a question and he accused me a stalking. Could you talk to him as well.

From reptardino

Category Idea
Shouldn't we have a category for people that were hunted/killed by breacher? There's quite a few people who could fit that category:

- Marla the Dark Lord

- The Sand People of Scar

- Earth Forty-Eight hunter-killer

etc...

👤| ☎️ | 09:38, January 3, 2019 (UTC)

Query about contributor
Hi TimeShade! Apologies in advance that this is not directly related to Arrowverse.

I was hoping you could help me get some more information in regards to a user I am having difficulty with on my Wiki - the Hitchhikers Wiki - who was also a frequent user of the Arrowverse Wiki: CarverSindile. I understand from your discussions with them on their talk page that you also faced some issues with them as a contributor, and I was just hoping you could let me know about what happened and the issues you faced with them. I'm looking to find out more information about other people's past experiences with them, and you interacted with them a lot, so hopefully you can help.

A link to their talk page: [//arrow.fandom.com/wiki/User_talk:CarverSindile https://arrow.fandom.com/wiki/User_talk:CarverSindile]

You use a different format of talk pages on this Wiki so it is a little hard for me to follow, but I understood the gist of it. I suspect I cannot see their responses because they were blocked?

I am trying to be patient and understanding, but I have issued them two warnings for hastily made and guideline-breaking edits to articles. I was intruiged to hear from them that they have been blocked on multiple other Wikis (and seemingly do not understand why though I can easily suspect why) so I wanted to do some research to find out more about their history on editing other Wikis. It is disappointing that I have found that they have caused issues on multiple other Wikis.

I sincerely hope that this is not an annoyance to you at all, I am just finding it difficult to reason with them and it was interesting to me to find that they had been similarly defensive of their mistakes and tricky to reason with on this Wiki too. If I find enough evidence of them disrupting multiple Wikis with no apology I may take this to Community Central to look into. Part of me feels as though they could still be trolling or playing some kind of game, but I mostly think they just have a bad attitude towards working as part of a community and following rules, and have chosen to take up the role of grammar editor despite admitting themself that grammar is not their forté.

Thank you very much for your time.

Spacepigeon (talk) 19:11, January 9, 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your fast response. It has been very enlightening to find out from multiple Wikis that my experience is not alone, and that other people have had the same issues.

I try to be a diplomatic and patient admin but have been struggling to reason with him. I'm sorry to hear that you've had the same problems. I am still trying to work through the latest warning with him, but it isn't getting very far and my comments are being ignored, so I feel like the time to remove him might happen soon, which is unfortunate as I had hoped he would start to understand there are other users who he needs to take into consideration.

I intend to make staff aware of the issues with him, including testimonies and information from other Wikis too, as I feel like it may be in everyone's best interests if he no longer had free reign over Wikia, due to the numerous issues caused. I will file the report at some point, probably not soon, I'm waiting on some responses from other admins of other Wikis, but I'll let you know if anything helpful comes from it!

Spacepigeon (talk) 02:37, January 10, 2019 (UTC)

Event template parameter
Hi, I saw in the Event template, there's no parameter of the time of occurrence for the event. I wanted to get approval to add some code because I want to suggest some parameters for the template:

It's pretty self-explanatory. Users can fill in either one to indicate if the event is a one-time or a yearly thing. It was the only way I can think of without creating a tedious code of conditional statements. Or if a conditional statement can be made that accepts a boolean argument whether if it's yearly or not, then I guess even better. Thoughts? ~ COƧMO THE CHOCOBO  |  TALK?  | at 14:24, Jan 10, 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much for that! ~ COƧMO THE CHOCOBO  |  TALK?  | at 7:55, Jan 11, 2019 (UTC)

Location parameter
Hi, I wanted to for you to approve to add two other known quantities to the location parameters for infoboxes: Continent and Ocean. We may never know if two places have the same name on different continents, and some regions, places, or landmarks can also exist within oceans. The new order would look like this: Thanks for hearing me out. ~  COƧMO THE CHOCOBO  | TALK?  | at 12:37, Jan 12, 2019 (UTC)
 * Building
 * City
 * State
 * Country
 * Continent
 * Ocean
 * Planet
 * Universe

Affiliation
Hi, I'm from Manifest Wiki. I'm wondering if Arrowverse Wiki would like to have an affiliation with Manifest Wiki? Nick Branson (talk) 15:07, January 17, 2019 (UTC)

why did you people deletle emiko queen that is her unidentified green arrow just why erase the work I write please respond

TimeShade I know this a blog but do we get paid or reward

Repeat on category pages
I know I haven't been on the wiki for long, but is it necessary to have a repeat on category pages. You have a page for one thing and then you have a category page on the exact same thing as well. It just seems overly excessive and repetitive. Andrewh7 (talk) 00:14, January 27, 2019 (UTC) Andrewh7

Announcement Feature
Recently me and Xandermcc  were having a conversation about how the highlight feature has been disabled and now episode talks cannot be highlighted anymore. Do you think that us mods could now use the announcement feature? A page dedicated to announcements can be created where we can link the episode chat rooms and everytime a new episode comes, we can expire the previous announcement and re-announce the same announcement page with newly added chat-room link. Or instead of the announcement page we can announce the chat-room itself(by making the chat-room URL as the target URL) and expire-reannounce it everytime there is a new episode.

But using the announcement feature has another side. I don't know if you would want o take it as a downside or upside but the users on the Discussion board can also see the announcement, as in the users who access the wiki via mobile apps, so this will bring in the discussion traffic to the main wiki(partially)

So what do you think?

Reverb frost |   What's new?    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ursuul/images/0/0a/Council-icon-FANDOM.svg https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/diepio/images/0/0a/GDM.svg

Do to the recent episode does dextor myles and myles confrim to be the saem person.

Thejaygarrick (talk) 02:21, January 30, 2019 (UTC)thejaygarrick

Season 8 Arrow
Hi, I just created the page for it - it was renewed, however I titled the page wrong. Could you rename it to the proper? Chinkycandie (talk) 00:16, February 1, 2019 (UTC)

User infobox
I was wondering if we could have our own character infobox similar to the regular one without the categories left behind? Andrewh7 (talk) 02:03, February 4, 2019 (UTC) Andrewh7
 * The User infobox is rarely used mainly because, in my opinion, the infobox doesn't have all the things the Character infobox. Andrewh7 (talk) 01:00, February 5, 2019 (UTC) Andrewh7

Discussion board not available
Hey so as ususal i was checking the Arrowverse discussion board on the new FANDOM app and i found that it's not there anymore. The discussiins are available via browser but not via the app. Could you please look into it? Reverb frost |   What's new?    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ursuul/images/0/0a/Council-icon-FANDOM.svg https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/diepio/images/0/0a/GDM.svg 02:39, February 12, 2019 (UTC)

Announcement feature
Hey there, I would like to use the announcement feature. On discussion board we have created a discussion board guide and would like it to be announced so as to keep more and more users informed about it. Reverb frost |   What's new?    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ursuul/images/0/0a/Council-icon-FANDOM.svg https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/diepio/images/0/0a/GDM.svg 08:56, February 18, 2019 (UTC)


 * That is a bit debate-able. I mean that is bringing help to quite a few users. Unfortunately there is no discussions only announcement feature so this our only option. I personally think that you can reconsider it once. Here is a link to the Discussion Guide. We will accept whatever is your final decision.  Reverb frost  |   What's new?    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/ursuul/images/0/0a/Council-icon-FANDOM.svg https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/diepio/images/0/0a/GDM.svg 18:36, February 18, 2019 (UTC)

Spamming...???
What do you mean "spamming"? I was blocked twice for "spamming"??? What do you mean. Please explain...I am almost afraid of clicking the EDIT button before you BLOCK ME. EXPLAIN...

MyOwn (talk) 03:26, February 26, 2019 (UTC)

TimeShade, I need help. Can you please remove User blog:The Music Master/The Justice League International & User blog:The Music Master/ALLIANCE from my blog page? Not only cos only an administrator can delete anyone's blogs, but cos they're both useless & i don't need them.

Removal
TimeShade, I need help. Can you please remove User blog:The Music Master/The Justice League International & User blog:The Music Master/ALLIANCE from my blog page? Not only cos only an administrator can delete anyone's blogs, but cos they're both useless & i don't need them.

Hi! I'm Scarlet! I saw your message on my talk page! Thanks for the welcoming!

Hi!
Hi! I'm Scarlet! I saw your message on my talk page! Thanks for the welcoming!

Removal:
Hi there, could you please remove User blog:The Music Master/Justice League International from my blogs? Considering its now useless.

User blog:The Music Master 09/03/19 11:55pm

RE:Dmods
Hey there. Hey TS. As soon as I got a mesaage from him I contacted a staff member and they informed me that forum management, and comments etc are optional parts of the Dmod job where as Discussion board is the actual job. I added the numbers because they fit the defination. And how on earth are you comming to the assessment that I am acting superior to anyone. I am as much a mod as he is. No one is superior to anyone unless specified otherwise. As I said I made and assumption that since he was not active on the Discussion board so it's better ifsuch users were brought to your knowledge since on multiple wikis users have been given Dmod rights without knowing what they are actually for in the paat and after pointing out they realised that they were given mistakenly. I assumed that to be the case here as well. Please don't take my comments in a wrong way and assume that i am dealing in bad faith. It really disheartens me that you of all see me this way. Reverb frost (talk) 04:09, March 12, 2019 (UTC)


 * As a councillor I suppose you are aware thay any conversation that takes place between a councillor and a staff memeber comes under NDA untill mentioned otherwise. I did not say that the entore convo was directed by staff but the part where discussion board managemnwt is the main job and forums etc are optional ones. I beimg a fellow siscussion mod would not force you to do a job that you are not comfortable with. You need to understand that written conversation have different interpretations and that was definitely not my intention. I really find it intriguing that you may not reply to my messages but will reply to a part that was said on someone else's mesaage wall and make such a offensive argument out of it. Try to occasionally assume good faith when you look at my work. I would really appreciate it TS. Reverb frost (talk) 04:33, March 12, 2019 (UTC)

Blog Post Restoration
Hey, you deleted my blog post, and you didn't give a reason. I don't think it was necessary, and frankly it's very frustrating. It was an index of characters adapted from the comics, listed with their alias, even if they didn't adopt it. I put a lot of time and work into it, and to have it deleted for no reason is aggrivating at best, especially considering that it wasn't an actual information page, just a blog post. Could you please restore the page? I'd really appreciate it. TheRadion (talk) 23:11, March 15, 2019 (UTC)

Re: RE:Blog
I am well aware of the page you are refering to. I have many problems with how the information on that page is presented: Tl;dr: The page that I made had numerous stylistic differences to the Characters from the DC comics page. I acknowledge that it's redundant, but it's not as if I was trying to replace the other page. My post was just something I wanted to make for myself. TheRadion (talk) 01:43, March 16, 2019 (UTC)
 * 1) Charcters should be listed alongside their alias regardless of whether they use it onscreen. The page is supposed to be reflective of the comic versions of the characters, not the show versions.
 * 2) In the case of Tatsu Yamashiro, she wore the Katana armor, went through her origin, and fought alongside Green Arrow. The only aspect in which she's not Katana is that no one uses the alias onscreen. Yet this is enough for her not to be listed as Katana on the page. The same is true for Phillip Karnowsky and Sean Sonus.
 * 3) This also eliminates the need for a seperate "Fully Renamed Characters" section.
 * 4) The notes sections are pointless and needlessly crowd the page. They look messy and cluttered.
 * 5) Personally, I don't like listing composite characters as "____ and ____" the tab key exists. It should be used.
 * 6) I don't like the scrolling tables either. I understand why they're there, but I don't like them.
 * 7) The other page only lists doppelgangers if they took up a different alias than their main counterpart. Except Killer Frost from Earth-2 is listed separately, as is Earth-X Jimmy Olsen, as are the characters from Earth-90. Listing all doppelgangers, like what I did on my page, clears up why these characters are listed twice.

Welcome
Well, since you asked, I might as well go straight to the source: Why is the page Worlds Finest protected, with questions on the Talk Page about the subject from nearly three years ago gone unanswered? Skteosk (talk) 23:12, March 17, 2019 (UTC)

Hello!

Thank you for answe, and sorry for my bad English, im from Hungary! I have write for the Time language page, and in the Travia, need citation, that Clifford Decoe have use this symbols. I send you a youtube link, where you can see it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRzB23r048c

Take it too 1:40, and you can see it. And other times too. Soo its still mistery in the show! THank you for answer!

Valentin0018 (talk) 10:17, March 19, 2019 (UTC)Korosa ValentinValentin0018 (talk) 10:17, March 19, 2019 (UTC)

Interesting question regarding recurring casts
I did a Recurring cast section for 90's The Flash and I've noticed an interesting discrepancy among other season pages which on one hand suggests that recurring cast is counted from the three episodes and more. However, Constantine has a few people listed, some with three appearances, some with two... And it somehow missed a few people as well, some of them having three appearances on the show. So what is the consensus on that? It makes sense to count starting with three episodes in larger seasons of bigger shows, however that will leave The Count out of season one which will be odd. My idea (and usual definition) of recurring cast are people who appeared two or more times. That will greatly expand some of the sections in some seasons, but it's perhaps the most fair option. Anyhow, even with three appearances per recurring cast member, I believe that shows with one season only should be an exception. --Тостер (talk) 16:56, March 19, 2019 (UTC)

hi

Categories
Yeah, I'm feeling kinda bullied by a few editors? Vacanus and Dragonis9Prime keep changing my edits back, even though I'm just adding facts and categories to organize things. I'm trying to maintain my padsion for teaching others, but they're really mean. This is why other girls don't like to contribute to wikis or fandoms because we always get steamrolled over. BlazingValor (talk) 03:12, March 29, 2019 (UTC)
 * Don't blame them, I was the one doing the undoing. Vaccines added some of the categories and Dragonis9Prime was completely unrelated to the conflict. The only thing they did was to build off of your first edit and just make the article better, I don't think they did anything to undo your edit on Lex Luthor (your only non-category edit) I undid your edits because they were creating categories that don't exist. I am not 100% opposed to what you added (I am opposed to Vacunas' pure evil category), but I am opposed to making categories without precedent, discussion or Local Staff decision on wikis of this size.Schroeswald (talk) 12:52, March 29, 2019 (UTC)
 * I'd also add that the category you were adding, "Psychopath", is wholly arbitrary and could in no good way be managed, so removing it was the right option to take. —MakeShift (talk page) 14:09, March 29, 2019 (UTC)

Editing problems
Hey I'm currently having trouble saving my edits after I updated the Arrow Season 7 page. Everytime I publish my edits, it keeps adding additional things I did not add like duplicating the episode table credit. I only edited the trivia section and nothing else. Has this issue ever happened before and how do I prevent that from happening again. Should I stop editing until further notice? HelghastSoldier05 (talk) 02:20, April 1, 2019 (UTC)

Dragonfly82
The user Dragonfly82 is officially becoming a problem on discussions which is more my side of things. However this is becoming something i am taking to you about because he has not only broken rules, but has claimed foul play by me and the mods for doing our jobs.

Xandermcc (talk) 06:18, April 2, 2019 (UTC)

You should go and read from this discussion. https://arrow.fandom.com/f/p/3300297438920770363/r/3300297438922406809 Xandermcc does not like when people do not agree with him. Most especially me to the point where other editors tells what are you talking about when me and him does not agree. I did not call him power hungry and corrupt. I have doubts about his position as a mod while I have not problem with Revert frost. Dragonfly82 (talk) 14:16, April 7, 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry for butting in, but getting off-topic is not advisable on the discussions of any wiki. I’m a discussion mod on another wiki and when that happens I give them warnings, Dragonfly has a pattern of getting off-topic, I know I’m not perfect but usually I try to think about whether what I’m posting is necessary to the thread. What Dragonfly posted in that discussion was off-topic and Xander had every right to say don’t get off-topic, he’s a mod, I personally would have waited to see if that went anywhere because usually a one-off post will be ignored but I understand where he came from and then the three people started accusing him of abusing his power which has definitely wrong, again sorry for butting in, just stating my opinion on the matter.Schroeswald (talk) 12:03, April 10, 2019 (UTC)

No. No one is butting, when the more, the merrier. And I respect people's opinions. Dragonfly82 (talk) 15:50, April 10, 2019 (UTC)


 * Since I was asked to "butt in" here, I will do so. Personally, I have little to no care for those "ARROWVERSE FEED" forums. However, there is nothing hard about this situation. Any forum has rules. Are there any "ARROWVERSE FEED" rules? Then Xander has to enforce them. Now, how exactly is he gonna do it is up to him. I'd give a warning or two, before going for the banhammer if ignored. But you, users, absolutely do not start "rules lawyering", especially with an argumentation like "Why should we abide the rules if nobody's complaining!?". Now, I don't think you should be banned, immediately, but get it through your thick skull that the rules are the rules, and the mods are there to enforce them.--Kir the Wizard (talk) 12:06, April 13, 2019 (UTC)
 * Anyway, Xander has no case to ban you in the thread that you linked, since it is in "General", and the OP wrote "Shows Ending", so it can't possibly be about "Arrow only". Now, I don't go to those forums, so I don't know about the general situation Xander has started this story about, so I won't make any final decision. But in this thread I don't see a reason to ban anybody, even though arguing with mods is, again, ill-advised. I don't know about any other cases so far, but right now I'd argue against banning you users.--Kir the Wizard (talk) 12:06, April 13, 2019 (UTC)

Hey,

I am new so idk the rules well. Can i also edit some profiles. I wanted to add more abilities to Martian Manhunter like more tk feats or tp feats or brute strenght one. Or some reaction speed or M'gann M'orzz teleporting on her own to ship in orbit or communication across the Mars and Earth. Or Reign has power to shake the Earth etc.

RE:Images
I already tried removing "update = yes". It's still not working. PinkieSparklesPoof (talk) 04:53, April 17, 2019 (UTC)PinkieSparklesPoof

I screwed up
Is there a way to delete pages that I accidentally created? I was creating a page for Supergirl's 4.20 episode, but the press from SpoilerTV spelled Eve's surname wrong.HelghastSoldier05 (talk)

Page for Savitar's History
I think that Savitar's History should have it's own independent page, as there's a lot to it & keeping it in a Scroll format makes it hard to read or navigate.

That's why I made the page in the first place. So can I undelete it?

22 April 2019 - User_talk:LogicMeister

Canaries (group)
I had a disagreement with another user on something, but after they added back their edit twice, I just backed off and left it, but now someone else is undoing their edit and there is a massive edit war going on. Could you please do somnething to stop it?Ninja72 (talk) 20:20, April 22, 2019 (UTC)

Have you ever seen a show called Naruto if you have I have some question regarding the episode im on?

Scrolls stopped working?
I've just noticed that on Characters from the DC comics scrolls stopped working, although they remain in the code of the page. Odd... --Тостер (talk) 14:41, May 1, 2019 (UTC)

Randes237
This user, Randes237, is continually changed articles with incorrect edits, such as changing Jay Garrick/The Flash to Jay Garrick/The Flash I have asked him to stop, but he seems to have ignored me.

WyronX22 (talk) 17:55, May 2, 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for sorting it out!

WyronX22 (talk) 18:17, May 2, 2019 (UTC)

Update on Randes237
Even after his temporary ban and your messages telling him to stop, Randes is still making these incorrect edits that me and a few others are having to keep up with just to reverse. WyronX22 (talk) 15:51, May 3, 2019 (UTC)

New feature
Hey, I'm Antonio, and I'm a Community Manager on Fandom's new TV and Movie community team. We're getting ready to test out a new feature and we think Arrowverse Wiki would be a great test wiki for it, you look ready for any challenge :P. Would you be interested in hearing more? If so, please add me on Discord so we can talk directly and chat more or we can continue talking here. My Discord ID is: bola#1331. Please let me know. Thanks!--Antonio R. Castro (leave a message) http://comunidad.wikia.com/extensions/wikia/StaffSig/images/WikiaStaff.png 15:40, May 4, 2019 (UTC)

Update (again) on Randes237
I hate to have to keep coming back to you on this, or bother you with it, but Randes has since returned following his 3-day ban and has immediately picked up where he left off, making incorrect edits and ignoring any attempts to inform him of his wrongdoings. This getting very frustrating now. WyronX22 (talk) 22:23, May 7, 2019 (UTC)

Further Accounts

 * He has recently been listing Tom Cavanagh on his page as Sherloque during times when only Thawne and Harry were on the show meaning that it seems impossible its well meaning and/or never checking his talk page or page histories, something more might need to be done.Schroeswald (talk) 23:19, May 7, 2019 (UTC)
 * He's started doing it again, multiple times. Ninja72 has had to keep reversing them, along with others and myself. I think urgent action must be taken, not that I'm telling you how to do your job. WyronX22 (talk) 15:49, May 8, 2019 (UTC)

Time Aberration
Hey, So basically I'm having a hard time figuring out if people INVOLVED with a time aberration (same city, same time) should have (aberration timeline) next to their occupation, affliation, etc in their userbox.

Examples:

- Mayor of Ivy Town

- D. Morris

- Roy Chapele

- ...

Thanks.

👤| ☎️ | 07:16, May 10, 2019 (UTC)

I need your help!

Everytime I message somebody and Chase Mcfly removed my message.

I was trying to ask OfficialBrandonF for my help on my stories thing and Chase Mcfly keeps removed message for no reason. Told him stop removing message.

https://arrow.fandom.com/wiki/User_talk:OfficialBrandonF?diff=488584&oldid=488578

Discussion board updates
Greetings TS, There are certain issues that are taking stand on tge discussion board lately and certain usera have decided to sort it out with hostility and by spreading toxicity. I am here to report you the entire case and request your valuable input on the matter. Arrowverse Discussion board has faced issues with teo types of rule breaking. 1) Wrong categorisation 2) Breech of spoiler policy To make users follow these rules we have tried to edit their post to abide by rules and left a small reminder of the rules that they have broken. When matter would not suffice by this, we even made announcement posts at the beginning and in the mid of every season, yet users don't follow them. Mods at the end had to edit each and every post and make necessary edits to suffice the guidelines. So recentky I have started to lock certain posts that break these guidelines(but only after giving 3 warnings to the author and giving them a chance to understand how categorisation works.)

Some users did not like this and have made a post reporting their queries and issues with locking of posts. From their line of postings ig was quite clear that untill now all our warnings were taken for granted and now that we lock gheor post, most of them have started to take tjose guidelines seriously and follow them. A couple of users have started name calling, and using abusive language and have been quite disrespectful and I have strong reasons to believe that these users are multipke accounts of a same user who is too affraid to act out with their main account. Here is a link to the main post where all the other posts are redited(with links to those posts). The matter was getting too hostile and i thiyght it would be better to inform an admin before taking any action. Here is the post: https://arrow.fandom.com/f/p/3300297438920782515

Thank you for taking your time to look inti this. I know you are now busy with the wiki manager job but since you are the only admin to have taken the most interest in Dboard modding, I thought it would be better to inform you. Reverb frost (talk) 07:44, May 22, 2019 (UTC)

The Trinity talk page
Hey can you please read what I wrote in The Trinity talk page regarding the article? Thanks! Itamar_A (talk) 12:25, June 8, 2019 (UTC)

Cyber bully problems! Chase McFly and OfficialBrandonF get my account global blocked and they will not stop. I tried with this global blocked and I wish they leave my account alone.

Timeshade, please listen to me. This guy has been harassing us for over a year now, and it's really gotten out of hand. He's been constantly bullying us, and is taking it to far. It's him who is doing the bullying, not us.Elite ANT Force Forever! 20:41, June 18, 2019 (UTC) Chase McFly you are wrong you destroyed my Yuma10000’s account and i trying to be friends.

https://elite-force.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:45515?useskin=oasis

https://elite-force.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:45758?useskin=oasis

I never stalking him, bothering and harassing him because I wanted be his friend. Everytime I message someone and Chase McFly always deleted my message.

Look at these!

https://arrow.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Digimonking?useskin=oasis

I not a cyber bully because I be nice to someone but not Chase McFly he kept deleting my messages for no reason because I needed help in my wattpad stories and he kept on deleting them. They are the real cyber bully.

Do look at my tweets and you decide.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ThomasChrist15

https://mobile.twitter.com/ThomasChrist15/with_replies

Look how nice I am because I making friends.

Maybe one day someone will like my wattpad stories. I always wanted to be a writer some day.

While we don't tolerate removing messages from talk pages (except perhaps in the case of spam), the messages posted were completely unrelated to this wiki and to do with fights you have had elsewhere. If you want to continue it, take it elsewhere, don't clutter our wiki with it. If you continue to harass one another in any way, action will be appropriately taken. —MakeShift (talk page) 13:12, June 19, 2019 (UTC)

My Content moderator rights
May I ask why my content moderator rights were taken away and can I be a content moderator again if possible.--Typhuss999 (talk) 12:06, June 23, 2019 (UTC)

Angels
Does calling somebody a "guardian angel" count as a mention of the species?Ninja72 (talk) 16:40, June 27, 2019 (UTC)

Interesting Update About Myself
So I recently got diagnosed with autism so that explains why I kept rubbing everyone a bad way a while back *insert nervous laugh emoji*. I've been working on it via speech therapy but I figure you should be entitled to an explanation given you've had to deal with how I was. I've been working hard on being better with pragmatics since my diagnosis but I figure you should know.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 22:07, July 28, 2019 (UTC)
 * Also, I'd like to formally apologize to you and the community for rubbing off the wrong way and I know there's no shortage of those instances.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 22:12, July 28, 2019 (UTC)

What is the name of the first episode of supergirl Season 5?

Content moderator rights
I have been active since I got unblocked, so do you think I could get my content moderator rights back now.--Typhuss999 (talk) 18:17, September 2, 2019 (UTC)

Ok.--Typhuss999 (talk) 17:16, September 4, 2019 (UTC)

Remove Old Content
Delete Old Content

Could you please delete all previous messages posted from this account (from 2017)? Thank You.

https://arrow.fandom.com/f/u/30768140 Asdfhjasdfjjk (talk)

Species template style suggestion
Terms such as Tyrannosaurus rex and Smilodon should have their names italicized, as they are names of genus (e.g. Tyrannosaurus and Smilodon) and species (e.g. Tyrannosaurus rex and Smilodon gracilis). It isn't possible with the infobox though, because then the resulting category would literally be. So if you wouldn't mind, could you add a tag to the tag of the Species template? Just like this: What do you think? ~  COƧMO THE CHOCOBO  | TALK?  | at 11:05, Sep 20, 2019 (UTC)

Randes237 Vandal
He keeps making incorrect edits on the Tom Cavanagh page. What's worse is every time that I undo his edits, he keeps comes back and makes it worse. Either ban him or lock the page, please. 03:01, October 5, 2019 (UTC)Nomad16

Crisis of 2019 edits suggestions
Hi. I have a few suggestions for edits in the Crisis of 2019 page (which I can't edit myself because it's locked). First, the part in the beginning ("In the original timeline, the crisis was supposed to take place on the night of April..."). Well, it should now say in the end "the crisis is set to occur earlier, in December 2019" instead of "the crisis is set to occur earlier, in 2019". Also, the reference should change to 6x01 instead of 5x22. Second, we should add "Barry Allen" to the Casualties list. Yeah the Monitor might be lying and Barry won't die in the crisis, but we can say the same about Oliver Queen and yet he's on the list. Not sure if the second one is valid but still it's a possibility. Itamar_A (talk) 12:05, October 9, 2019 (UTC)

The Flash suits
Hi. I've noticed that every suit in the arrowverse that has multiple versions show all the versions in the table (like Green Arrow suits, Elongated Man suits, ect), but only The Flash suits doesn't do that, and it instead just shows the current suit. Can I add the different Flash suits to the article to make it consistant in the wiki (except for when there was red emblem as it's still the same suit and it's more conventional)? I already made a draft for that version of the page I just need to upload it. Itamar_A (talk) 14:44, October 10, 2019 (UTC)

Weather Witch Confirmed
Reina Hardesty is apparently confirmed to be reprising her role as Weather Witch in Crisis On Infinite Earths. I was going to add her to the cast section on the Crisis page but forgot it was locked. Here's a source: https://twitter.com/Pagmyst/status/1182239086922227712 --Jourdon (talk) 21:09, October 10, 2019 (UTC)

Adding full cast to episode pages
I think adding the credited cast of an episode to its individual page would be beneficial, similar to the Black Lightning or Titans wiki, divided into 'Starring', 'Guest starring' and 'Co-starring'. It doesn't take up much space and would be placed after the 'Synopsis' or 'Plot' heading. It would all be in order of how the actors and what characters they play are credited in the episode. Also, it would encourage adding more pages for actors that are co-stars or guest stars instead of just ignoring them. I guess this would also eliminate the use for the 'Guest stars' section in the episode infobox. Just a thought. I also put this on IHHeroes talk page. --LittleSquirrel21 (talk) 05:12, October 13, 2019 (UTC)

I'd be willing to start. I think it would really add something to the episode pages. --LittleSquirrel21 (talk) 06:14, October 13, 2019 (UTC)

Message Walls
Why don't you have the message wall enabled on this wiki? most popular wikis do. Why dont you? It would make it so much easier to talk to people, and better. Also why not article comments, it would make stuff easier in my opinion.

Carpe Universum (talk) 21:25, October 18, 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks!
 * Carpe Universum (talk) 21:30, October 18, 2019 (UTC)

User Page and Talk Page
Hello, I was just wondering/verifying that my user and talk pages abide by all policies on this wiki, spoiler policy and otherwise. I don't want to accidentally violate a policy. I want to make sure to do things the right way. Thanks! Carpe Universum (talk) 05:59, October 22, 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you for checking on that, I'll do my best to keep it abiding by your rules. I know you're probably busy, and don't want to be checking my user and talk pages, but there was so much stuff on them, I thought there was a pretty high possibility that I was not abiding by a policy, mainly the spoiler policy. I also didn't know if you had a policy of modifying the talk page like that. So thanks again!
 * Carpe Universum (talk) 15:17, October 22, 2019 (UTC)

Signature
Hello, I would like to ask you if my signature is ok with your policies for signatures. Last time, you said you had rules about signatures, so would like to verify if mine abides by them. Just don't want to be violating your rules, and making your jobs harder because you have to fix my mistakes, so before I go using this signature need to make sure it works. Thanks again! 05:24, 25 Oct 2019 ］ |


 * Thanks for the fast response! I didn't know the styled emojies were like that, thanks, I guess I'll just use normal text. Thanks again! 05:47, 25 Oct 2019 ］ |

How do I add the show colour scheme(e.g. Green for Arrow, Red for The Flash, Blue for DC's Legends of Tomorrow) to the pages I make, I can't have access to the Add More Information bar while editing.

Some of these articles have template move on them, as they have been there for years or months; such as Slade Wilson's hideout, The Undertaking (event), The Siege, Nyssa al Ghul and Reign (Samantha Arias); as as they are supposed to be renamed to Undertaking (event), Siege, Fuselage, Nyssa Raatko and Reign (split personality) respectively; perhaps us editors said rename these said pages, if you administrators are taking too long.--Operep (talk) 13:55, October 28, 2019 (UTC)

Elseworlds
I have a question: For the Elseworlds episode titles, its listed as part 1, part 2, etc, but on Netflt, its listed as Hour one, Hour two, etc. What's the correct way? Thanks 01:43, 29 Oct 2019 ］ |


 * I didn't know that. Thanks for the clarification. 23:50, 29 Oct 2019 ］ |

Crisis on Infinite Earths page source issue
In the Crisis on Infinite Earths page, source #22 has a styling issue. Just remove the extra white space after the quotation mark, and it should fix the issue. Thanks. 20:22, 30 Oct 2019 ］ |

Crisis on Infinite Earths Page
Can please unlock the page? I know it was locked due to an edit war, but the crossover starts in a month and there is a lot of information that has been released that is missing from that page. The Director of S.H.I.E.L.D. (talk) 18:48, November 8, 2019 (UTC)

Hello TimeShade, I have a question regarding the Crisis on Infinite Earths cast. I have seen behind-the-scenes photos from Crisis on Infinite Earths set, I have seen Oliver Queen, Barry Allen, Kara Danvers, John Diggle, Kate Kane, Sara Lance, and Alex Danvers in them. I am to assume that they will be in Crisis on Infinite Earths or not? If they are, why aren't the cast and characters on the cast list? Nomad16 (talk) 21:21, November 8, 2019 (UTC)Nomad16

Hey, question about category problem that I became aware of...
So, someone left a message about me having to take off categories off my user page, here's the thing...I DONT KNOW HOW O GOT THEM. I understand the issue of other users being confused as to whyy by user page has categories I just dont understand oh\\how they got to my page, Ive looked everythwere on settings, nothing shows....any help or info would be much appreciated! --Kane (talk) 05:39, November 13, 2019 (UTC)

Arbitration on John Diggle Jr Proposal
Hello, there is a proposal on the talk page of the John Diggle Jr page. The request is done on the basis of the character of John Diggle Jr from the alternate 2046 future being the same actor as the Connor Hawke from the 2040 future. Confirmation of the basis of the proposal has been provided by the actor himself, so I'm not sure if a vote is necessary or if the move can just be done. --Mr. Youtube (talk) 07:41, November 24, 2019 (UTC)

Hey, so sorry for seeing the message so late but the quote is: ''It was actually fun getting to re-imagine Connor for this new timeline, because a few years had passed since I last played the character I didn't have to worry about working towards being that same version of him. I had the freedom of trying new things and developing a completely different character. Although I would love to see Connor back in that Green Arrow suit!'' So yeah, it seems like we'll have to conjecture towards why he went by John Diggle Jr in Star City 2046 but it is important to remember when that episode came out, Jr didn't exist and Sara Diggle did. I've also discussed this a bit further with another user on the talk page who suggested reaching out to an administrator. --Mr. Youtube (talk) 19:52, December 4, 2019 (UTC)