Talk:Hunter Zolomon

More detail should be added to Jay GarrickFeralG5 (talk) 05:44, November 4, 2015 (UTC)FeralG5
 * We have lives you know? You want more content to be on Jay Garrick's page? Why not do it yourself? 05:55, November 4, 2015 (UTC)

Velocity 6
Should we call it something else? Velocity 6 was recently created by Harrison and Caitlin, while Jay made something else like it, not Velocity 6 itself.Kaestal (talk) 16:37, February 12, 2016 (UTC)


 * He also refers to what he created as Velocity 6, though. Probably best just to keep it as that since we don't have any other name for it. Hambergite (talk) 00:30, February 29, 2016 (UTC)

Death
Are we sure we should be listing him as deceased and not "Unknown"? He's presumed dead by Team Flash, sure, but has this been confirmed by Zoom? He could have been severely wounded.Hambergite (talk) 01:17, February 27, 2016 (UTC)

Categories
As this is a locked article, can someone else add this to Category:Team Flash? Given his history with the team I can't help but feel that he belongs in that category, Hambergite (talk) 07:02, March 3, 2016 (UTC)

Typo
There's a typo in the Being the Flash section, "uforeseen". I'd usually correct it, but the article's locked. Can an Admin correct the mistake? --Sir Phil Mirrory, Founder of the Galidor Wikia (talk) 14:13, March 13, 2016 (UTC)

Flash Back
Hey, Jay was mentioned in Flash Back, as well the trajectory appearance needs a ")" at the end. Thanks IHHeroes (talk) 18:11, March 31, 2016 (UTC)

Spoilers?
Is it really necessary to have a big spoiler at the top of the page? I just came here to read up on some previous plot points from an episode that expired on Hulu and had it spoiled for me that he was Zoom! I was really trying to avoid spoilers but didn't expect there to be one at the very top of the page. Does it really need to be there? Sincerely, King aragorn II (talk) 08:03, April 13, 2016 (UTC)

Equipment
Someone should make a section where is suit and helmet are explained and listed.

Editing?
When will we be allowed to edit this page again? It has been locked for awhile and there is stuff we can add.

Zoom as well to be honest. Kaestal (talk) 22:43, April 21, 2016 (UTC)

You mean merge? Justin Holland (talk) 23:35, April 21, 2016 (UTC)

No, just be able to edit it at all, we have some new information to add and haven't been able to since early March or something. Kaestal (talk) 23:48, April 21, 2016 (UTC)

Is no-one gonna update his occupation? He was a serial killer and a former facade member of Team Flash. eMac2 (talk) 18:44, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

When we can actually edit it again that stuff will be resolved very quickly. Kaestal (talk) 20:02, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

The Time Remnant
Currently the page says this:

"For two years Jay fought Zoom, but at some point Zoom revealed himself as a future version of Hunter Zolomon.[2] He was able to convince him to aid him in his attempts to get more speed. Due to unknown reasons, they eventually ended up on a rooftop, Zoom about to kill The Flash. However, a singularity between worlds opened up above them, both of them making their way through.[4]" 

But this is pure speculation! Hunter only said that he traveled to an undistinct point at time to meet a Time Remnant of his, then convinced him to allow himself to die. This was done specifically during the situation when he understood that he couldn't keep his alibi being on two Earths at once (which means, around the time Barry travelled to Earth 2). Everything the person that Team Flash knew as "Jay" has done on Earth 1, except for that little period of time during the crysis on two Earths, such as training Barry, romancing Dr. Snow, asking her to help him with making a cure, showing her the Earth1!Hunter - it was all done by the same person as Zoom. He only needed a Time Remnant for a little moment of time between his own "going to sleep" on Earth 1 and hunting down Killer Frost on Earth 2.

The "battle between Jay and Zoom" was a visualization of the lies that Hunter was telling to Team Flash as "Jay": he is an unreliable narrator affecting the visualization. However, since he does remember Caitlin's love, Barry Allen and the process of developing a cure on Earth 1, he experienced those events, and not a "Time Remnant". Zoom wasn't really fighting "Jay Garrick", but, as Hunter explains, acted as both the hero and the villain at different times: "To give people hope... so I could take it away from them!"

Kir the Wizard (talk) 16:01, April 22, 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree: no one specified that it was ever a secret for Jay version that Zoom is him. On the contrary Zoom said that he planned whole affair after seeing Barry in the moment singularity opened. It is way to early to specify the situation as we yet to see the whole picture: we don't know who is the masked prisoner, we don't know whether Jay Garrick is a case of stolen identity and moreover we don't know much about Earth One's Zolomon. --Тостер (talk) 08:54, April 24, 2016 (UTC)


 * Admittedly, it was hard to recall a majority of the season and fit it in to the context. Thanks for catching that. I'll get to work on it when I have a spare moment. —MakeShift (talk page) 10:04, April 24, 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you for that. I'd like to point out once more:

Zoom said this: "I knew that I couldn't be on two Earths at the same time, so I went back in time and, uh, met another version of myself." Iris asks: "When did you decide to do that?" Zoom clarifies: "Oh, once you closed all the breaches, went to Earth-2. Believe me, getting my time remnant to agree to me murdering him took a bit of convincing."

As such, it proves that Zoom introduced his Time Remnant into the scheme only after Barry went to Earth-2. The "Jay" that interacted with Team Flash before the Earth-2 episode? That was the very same person as Zoom, in a different costume. He wasn't at the same time and place with Team Flash 24/7, so there was no need to introduce another version of him into the mix at that time. --Kir the Wizard (talk) 15:48, April 24, 2016 (UTC)                                                        @Kir The Wizard What about when Zoom brought Sand Demon to Earth-1. Jay was with Team flash at that time or in episode 9 when Zoom was chasing wells and later asked him what he decided and later when Wells agreed to help him. Jay was with Team Flash when these events happened. So, the Jay from episodes 1,2,3 and 9 must be the time remanent.

There weren't seen in the same room on screen, and we don't know how much time passed inbetween scenes with "Jay in Star Labs" and "Zoom with Wells", so there is no reason to think that Zoom couldn't do both events. Again: Zoom says exactly that he brought up a time remnant "once [Barry] closed all the breaches, went to Earth-2". Kir the Wizard (talk) 12:10, April 29, 2016 (UTC)

Personality
Someone needs to fix his personality. I'm pretty sure Hunter Zolomon isn't much like Barry.

Lonen22 (talk) 20:18, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

Zoom's speed
Was Zoom's speed increased when he took Barry's speed?

Yes he did also he was run mach 13 after transformed may will run mach 20 who knows

"Civilian" image
It's not really "civilian", it's still Zoom costume without his mask. Why not use an old image of Hunter in his jacket? --Kir the Wizard (talk) 12:10, April 29, 2016 (UTC)

Misspellings

Under "Identity Revealed" and personality doppelgänger is spelled incorrectly as "doppelganger." I am unable to correct this, so I ask that an administrator might take a look at it. HunterofArtemis12 ~Hunter of the Night.  04:49, May 2, 2016 (UTC)

Zoom sensing Cisco
Should this be included on his list of powers? Zoom somehow managed to detect that Cisco was vibing Earth Two and even nodded in acknowledgement when Cisco told him that Barry agreed to give up his speed. Kaestal (talk) 15:40, May 3, 2016 (UTC)

For good measure
This is dialogue from "Versus Zoom"

Zoom said this: "I knew that I couldn't be on two Earths at the same time, so I went back in time and, uh, met another version of myself."

Iris asks: "When did you decide to do that?"

Zoom clarifies: "Oh, once you closed all the breaches, went to Earth-2. Believe me, getting my time remnant to agree to me murdering him took a bit of convincing."

The "Jay Garrick" that claimed he didn't have his speed, showed Caitlin his doppelganger and fell in love with her? That was all Zoom. It's not that the "time remnant" arrived separately from Zoom on Earth 1, contacted Team Flash and fell in love with Caitlin. Zoom only "created" the time remnant after Barry decided to go to Earth 2, because he couldn't both stay with Caitlin on E1 and fight Barry on E2 at the same time. In fact, I'd say he tried, until the team went to break Barry out and he was ready to escape. This time window coincides with "Jay" going "to sleep" and napping through the whole earthquake by the Geomancer in STAR Labs. --Kir the Wizard (talk) 11:33, May 7, 2016 (UTC)


 * Again, some User:Gamingbeaster removed my edits without looking at the talk page, or even the summary I added in the history. Again, Zoom only pulled a time remnant when Barry closed all the breaches, the "Jay" we saw before that was the same person as Zoom, not a time remnant, not a past version, the same person masquerading as two people. Rewatch "Versus Zoom", again: "When did you decide to do that?" "Oh, once you closed all the breaches, went to Earth-2.. BEFORE THAT, there was no time remnant, how hard is it to udnerstand that?! Now I have to edit the Time Remnant bullshit all over again, because I can't undo User:Gamingbeaster for some reason and nobody else cares. --Kir the Wizard (talk) 08:09, May 8, 2016 (UTC)
 * We do care, edits just get buried often. 08:23, May 8, 2016 (UTC)

Civilian Pictures Removed
Why were all pictures of Hunter in civilian clothes removed from the wiki completely as of 12/05/16? --Kir the Wizard (talk) 14:33, May 12, 2016 (UTC)

Hunter in his black sweater
Could someone please find a quality picture of Hunter in his (regular) black clothes he changed into during 2x19 (when Caitlin told him to speak to her without the mask)? It's a more recent picture, depicting his current civilian attire, so we could update the Hunter_Zolomon.png pic with it. --Kir the Wizard (talk) 19:14, May 14, 2016 (UTC)
 * He looks great in this sweater. --Kir the Wizard (talk) 08:18, May 15, 2016 (UTC)

Ruler of Earth Two
I added this because Zoom said that Earth One would be on its knees "just like this Earth", so it's implied that he conquered any and all resistance on Earth Two off screen. --Kir the Wizard (talk) 21:26, May 20, 2016 (UTC)                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    @ Kir the Wizard    Just because Zoom said that he conquered his earth, that does not mean that it is true. He was just exaggerating


 * We have to believe characters' exposition, until they are proven otherwise. If Zoom says he conquered Earth Two offscreen, then we have to assume so, without creating additional parameters ("What if Zoom lied?"). Occam's Razor. --Kir the Wizard (talk) 09:45, May 23, 2016 (UTC)          @Kir the Wizard  Zoom  def can not conquer a whole world with only around 20 or 50 meta-humans.


 * Why not? Maybe the rest of the world has no meta-humans, at all. Maybe the rest of the meta-humans are staying on Earth Two, off screen. We don't know such facts. Zoom said that he brought Earth Two to its knees, and intended to do the same to Earth One and other Earths. We weren't shown any events on Earth Two that would prove him wrong (say, Central City disregarding Zoom's orders or something). Thus we can't just disregard Zoom's exposition, even if it may sound farfetched.--Kir the Wizard (talk) 15:57, May 23, 2016 (UTC)        He was just exaggerating. By this earth he meant The Central City of this Earth.  And when they went to Earth Two, even Central City was not conquered. And the moment, when he said he conquered his Earth was just a few months after this. And you can not conquer the world for such a short period of time.


 * But that's what you think, not what the characters from the show told us. So far we haven't seen anything from Earth Two that would make us believe that Zoom was exaggerating. In fact, his continuing reign of terror on Earth Two was Barry's reason to reopen the breach in the first place. Zoom conquering Earth Two was something our characters expected. --Kir the Wizard (talk) 22:25, May 24, 2016 (UTC)                       Yes, they opened the  breach to save Earth Two, but in reality they were saving just Central City of Earth Two.

Black Flash
Seriously you dumb ass people don't know what the hell you are doing. We don't know what happened to him, we just know what that he was taken away by Time Wraiths and he just decayed like an aging man. This Black Flash trash is all speculation and have information about HUnter being the Black Flash in trivia. We do these stuff based on the episodes and from the character's perscpective yes but only from that episode. I swear to God if this happens more often Time Shade, please block it.

SuperBen 1000000 (talk) 22:44, May 26, 2016 (UTC)

Time Remnant
Dear admins, please add the links to the newly-created Time remnant page in the text of the article. Would have done it myself, but it is, uh, closed at the moment. --Kir the Wizard (talk) 18:30, May 28, 2016 (UTC)

Fix the text at the top of the page
It says: "For the speedster's who identity he stole see Jay Garrick."

Should be: "For the speedster whose identity he stole, see Jay Garrick." --Kir the Wizard (talk) 13:04, May 29, 2016 (UTC)

Black Flash 2
STOP adding info on the Black Flash. Yes, he has the BF's looks, this is mentioned in Behind the Scenes. No, "confirmed by JWS" is not a valid source, fellows. --Kir the Wizard (talk) 08:22, June 20, 2016 (UTC)

Zoom never created a speed-mirage
Zoom never actually created a speed-mirage on the show. So it is inaccurate to say that he did, if he even can at all. And to address the episode in question, Zoom wasn't both standing there AND killing the people in Jitters in "Rupture," as you can clearly that he's not over next to the doors while he was killing them. -- ImperiexSeed, 8:12 PM, July 14th 2016

Changes to the page
For one thing, can this be the profile picture of the page, it's better than the current one? -- ImperiexSeed, 6:28 PM, August 4th 2016




 * If you want to change the infobox image, you need to open the current image's page and use the "upload a new version of the file" option, instead of uploading a whole-new different file altogether.--Kir the Wizard (talk) 22:33,


 * Don't won't to change the current one yet, want people to vote on it, then this image can simply be renamed "Zoom.png". -- ImperiexSeed, 6:38 PM,August 4th 2016
 * We aren't doing that way, it gets reuploaded over the current file, since that previous file has actual history of Zoom's images, even the past revisions could appear on Google searches. Also, that image is low quality and looks squished. 23:23, August 4, 2016 (UTC)
 * Will you add the image to Race for the title heading? I'm not high 1920x1080 resolution that I found one.
 * Can we write under weaknesses section to former weaknesses ? he is not suffer side effect velocity drug he cured himself.
 * Zoom_transformed_by_time_wraiths.png

These changes should be made to the page: 1. Zoom cannot run that much faster than humans, as Wells was still able to move when Zoom was running at super speed. 2. Zoom is less powerful then humans and basic metas, as he's been beaten on several occasions by both. 3. He wasn't intimidating and no one feared or dreaded Zoom. Even when Wally was confronted by Zoom for the first time, he was pretty chill. Sand Demon also showed no fear when talking to Zoom, and Barry even egged Zoom on. 4. Also, Zoom was never faster than Barry, he could only move his body as fast as Barry could, Caitlin confirms this. 5. Also, it should be taken into account that Barry could've put up more of a fight in episode six, but didn't really resist because he didn't want to hurt Zoom too badly. -- ImperiexSeed, 5:21 AM, September 25th 2016


 * They ever respond in DC?--MysteryScooby 9:00 September 26th 2016

Imperiex is apparently unable to learn his lesson, can't wait to see how long until he crosses a line he shouldn't this time.