Board Thread:Arrow discussions/@comment-28109177-20171231211528/@comment-26537965-20180103191740

Jourdon wrote: Everyone read this Reddit user's view on it

''OK bear with me here. ''

''I'm going to try and explain this in a way that makes sense. ''

Here is Savitar's origin story:

1) Barry and Savitar battle in 2021.

2) In the battle in 2021, Barry attempts to trap Savitar in the speed force and in doing so, recruits multiple time remnants to help him.

3) Right before being trapped in the speed force, Savitar kills all but one of the time remnants.

4) The time remnant that Savitar spares becomes Savitar because the group shuns him for not being "the real Barry".

''This is where things get sketchy. Because earlier this season, we see Savitar escape the speed force by switching places w/Wally. Jay Garrick then helps Wally by switching places with him in the speed force.''

''So what happened to the time remnant in 2021 that eventually became Savitar? We know that both Savitar and the time remnant that became him existed as separate entities in 2021.''

Assuming that the time remnant that becomes Savitar lives out the events that make him become Savitar:

1) Is shunned by Team Flash. Loses his mind.

2) Travels to the past at some point. Creates a God-like legend which involves the Philospher's Stone and in turn leads to a cult following.

This is where the whole "Savitar escapes from the speed force" in the present day becomes even more sketchy

If the time remnant doesn't travel to the past, At what point do the time remnant and the version of Savitar being trapped in (and escaping by switching places w/Wally) the speed force become one entity?

''Either way, all roads lead up to there being two Savitars. :'' No, it goes like this. Barry encounters Savitar in 2016> Savitar murders Iris in 2017> Barry fights Savitar in 2020/2021> Barry creates time remnants to stop him> Savitar kills all, but one> Barry and the time remnant trap Savitar in the Speed Force> The time remnant is shunned by Team Flash> The time remnant is broken and eventually becomes Savitar> The remnant travels back in time creating the myth> The time remnant returns to 2021 repeating the battle and is trapped by Barry and his younger self> Savitar appears to Julian in 2012 as Julian s dead sister> Julian goes to india finding the stone> Julian moves to America> Julian becomes Alchemy in 2016, because of Savitar controlling him, and from this point everything repeats itself.