Talk:Hunter Zolomon

More detail should be added to Jay GarrickFeralG5 (talk) 05:44, November 4, 2015 (UTC)FeralG5
 * We have lives you know? You want more content to be on Jay Garrick's page? Why not do it yourself? 05:55, November 4, 2015 (UTC)

Velocity 6
Should we call it something else? Velocity 6 was recently created by Harrison and Caitlin, while Jay made something else like it, not Velocity 6 itself.Kaestal (talk) 16:37, February 12, 2016 (UTC)


 * He also refers to what he created as Velocity 6, though. Probably best just to keep it as that since we don't have any other name for it. Hambergite (talk) 00:30, February 29, 2016 (UTC)

Death
Are we sure we should be listing him as deceased and not "Unknown"? He's presumed dead by Team Flash, sure, but has this been confirmed by Zoom? He could have been severely wounded.Hambergite (talk) 01:17, February 27, 2016 (UTC)

Categories
As this is a locked article, can someone else add this to Category:Team Flash? Given his history with the team I can't help but feel that he belongs in that category, Hambergite (talk) 07:02, March 3, 2016 (UTC)

Typo
There's a typo in the Being the Flash section, "uforeseen". I'd usually correct it, but the article's locked. Can an Admin correct the mistake? --Sir Phil Mirrory, Founder of the Galidor Wikia (talk) 14:13, March 13, 2016 (UTC)

Flash Back
Hey, Jay was mentioned in Flash Back, as well the trajectory appearance needs a ")" at the end. Thanks IHHeroes (talk) 18:11, March 31, 2016 (UTC)

Spoilers?
Is it really necessary to have a big spoiler at the top of the page? I just came here to read up on some previous plot points from an episode that expired on Hulu and had it spoiled for me that he was Zoom! I was really trying to avoid spoilers but didn't expect there to be one at the very top of the page. Does it really need to be there? Sincerely, King aragorn II (talk) 08:03, April 13, 2016 (UTC)

Equipment
Someone should make a section where is suit and helmet are explained and listed.

Editing?
When will we be allowed to edit this page again? It has been locked for awhile and there is stuff we can add.

Zoom as well to be honest. Kaestal (talk) 22:43, April 21, 2016 (UTC)

You mean merge? Justin Holland (talk) 23:35, April 21, 2016 (UTC)

No, just be able to edit it at all, we have some new information to add and haven't been able to since early March or something. Kaestal (talk) 23:48, April 21, 2016 (UTC)

Is no-one gonna update his occupation? He was a serial killer and a former facade member of Team Flash.

The Time Remnant
Currently the page says this:

"For two years Jay fought Zoom, but at some point Zoom revealed himself as a future version of Hunter Zolomon.[2] He was able to convince him to aid him in his attempts to get more speed. Due to unknown reasons, they eventually ended up on a rooftop, Zoom about to kill The Flash. However, a singularity between worlds opened up above them, both of them making their way through.[4]" 

But this is pure speculation! Hunter only said that he traveled to an undistinct point at time to meet a Time Remnant of his, then convinced him to allow himself to die. This was done specifically during the situation when he understood that he couldn't keep his alibi being on two Earths at once (which means, around the time Barry travelled to Earth 2). Everything the person that Team Flash knew as "Jay" has done on Earth 1, except for that little period of time during the crysis on two Earths, such as training Barry, romancing Dr. Snow, asking her to help him with making a cure, showing her the Earth1!Hunter - it was all done by the same person as Zoom. He only needed a Time Remnant for a little moment of time between his own "going to sleep" on Earth 1 and hunting down Killer Frost on Earth 2.

The "battle between Jay and Zoom" was a visualization of the lies that Hunter was telling to Team Flash as "Jay": he is an unreliable narrator affecting the visualization. However, since he does remember Caitlin's love, Barry Allen and the process of developing a cure on Earth 1, he experienced those events, and not a "Time Remnant". Zoom wasn't really fighting "Jay Garrick", but, as Hunter explains, acted as both the hero and the villain at different times: "To give people hope... so I could take it away from them!"

Kir the Wizard (talk) 16:01, April 22, 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree: no one specified that it was ever a secret for Jay version that Zoom is him. On the contrary Zoom said that he planned whole affair after seeing Barry in the moment singularity opened. It is way to early to specify the situation as we yet to see the whole picture: we don't know who is the masked prisoner, we don't know whether Jay Garrick is a case of stolen identity and moreover we don't know much about Earth One's Zolomon. --Тостер (talk) 08:54, April 24, 2016 (UTC)


 * Admittedly, it was hard to recall a majority of the season and fit it in to the context. Thanks for catching that. I'll get to work on it when I have a spare moment. —MakeShift (talk page) 10:04, April 24, 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you for that. I'd like to point out once more:

Zoom said this: "I knew that I couldn't be on two Earths at the same time, so I went back in time and, uh, met another version of myself." Iris asks: "When did you decide to do that?" Zoom clarifies: "Oh, once you closed all the breaches, went to Earth-2. Believe me, getting my time remnant to agree to me murdering him took a bit of convincing."

As such, it proves that Zoom introduced his Time Remnant into the scheme only after Barry went to Earth-2. The "Jay" that interacted with Team Flash before the Earth-2 episode? That was the very same person as Zoom, in a different costume. He wasn't at the same time and place with Team Flash 24/7, so there was no need to introduce another version of him into the mix at that time. --Kir the Wizard (talk) 15:48, April 24, 2016 (UTC)                                                        @Kir The Wizard What about when Zoom brought Sand Demon to Earth-1. Jay was with Team flash at that time or in episode 9 when Zoom was chasing wells and later asked him what he decided and later when Wells agreed to help him. Jay was with Team Flash when these events happened. So, the Jay from episodes 1,2,3 and 9 must be the time remanent.