Board Thread:The Flash discussions/@comment-13895380-20151204145123/@comment-13895380-20151225002208

AvengerPaul1989 wrote: Zoom would win any day! he could time travel as someone said to before savage became immortal and kill him, but even if not, watch the crossover just gone, the flash/arrow killed savage using the staff, hes only gonna be coming back from it because malcolm gathered some of him up in the jar and plot demands it. but even away from tv, zoom would still win,both beatable but zoom would be harder to kill for being so fast, we have seen even being an immortal can be beaten with the staff. Zoom doesn't know where he's from

- we technically don't know if Zoom can travel back in time (though it makes sense that he could)

- when Reverse-Flash did it, he lost most of his speed force. Zoom will be travelling back an even longer time length, so he may lose most of his speed force too

- Arrow and Flash were able to beat Savage only because the staff was able to work. Flash couldn't speed through the force field, so it's not like it makes sense that Zoom can do it if we haven't even seen him phase through anything in the first place (though, again, it'd make sense that he could phase too). If it were possible, Barry would have tried it, I'm sure.

- Let's not forget that Flash and Arrow needed HawkMan and HawkGirl, Diggles, Black Canary and Speedy to help them too...and the Legends of Tomorrow have to be made to stop Savage. Seems like multiple heroes are needed to take this guy down consistently. And none of that would have worked if it wasn't for Cisco's gloves. He would have nuked them all.

The way I see it is, if Zoom can't touch him due to the force field, I'm not sure if Savage is even fast enough to kill Zoom, cause if Barry is fast enough to escape Savage's staff nuke, then Zoom is too. Then again, Savage was able to knife Barry, which is very impressive.