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ALL POSTSThe possibility of an Arrowverse/Supergirl merger
<p>Ever since it was announced that <i>The Flash</i> and <i>Supergirl</i> would be crossing over, I know that there's been frequent discussion as to how we'll incorporate it on the wiki. Considering the size of such an undertaking, we admins figured it would be best to have a community discussion to throw around some ideas.
</p><p>On a whole, we're thinking it will be best to wait till the episode airs on March 28th to finalise anything big. However, if it does come down to them being in the same multiverse, why should we not cover them? If the Supergirl universe is just an example of another Earth, it follows logical sense that we should cover it, especially as we cover more than just the single Earth.
</p><p>Beyond that, though, regardless of whether it is another Earth or something else entirely, it still is a crossover between the two shows on an entirely different level, as the star of <i>The Flash</i> is reprising his role, so how might we include it on our wiki? My personal thoughts are to include the page, but then mark it in such a way that it is almost essentially just a special episode of <i>The Flash</i>, like perhaps even categorising it under "Special episodes".
</p><p>So what's everyone's thoughts on the matter as a whole?
</p><p>UPDATE: We have decided that the episode should be given a page, as it is technically a crossover, regardless of anything, but that is the extent of it for now. Continue discussion!
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<div class="quote"><i>MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:
<div class="quote">TimeShade wrote:
<div class="quote"> <p>MadHatterJervisTetch wrote: Earth-S is a totally separate Universe that appered on a totally separate TV Show on a totally separate Network! What <i>if</i> the Showrunners create a own "Earth-2" for the Supergirl Show in which Kara meet her E-2 Counterpart Powergirl? </p> </i></div>
Technically, the show runners can create their own E2 for SG BUT, these earth's aren't really specific. The numbers are just for reference. They call E2 as such on the show because it's the first other "earth" they know of. E2 Wells called Team Flash's earth as his Earth Two.</div>
<p>Thats my point! ;-) The Supergirl Show can create a own "Earth-2" because the Supergirl Earth is their "Earth-1" When we cover both Shows on this Wiki, and The Flashs Earth-2 is a totally different earth as Supergirls Earth-2 we have two Earth-2s and completely confusion. </p><p>
</p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Yj Avi Mittal wrote: </p><p>supergirl is being handled by the people who handle arrowverse </p> </i></div>
firstly not completely the same people <p>secondly so is Fant4stic Four (2015) and X-Men Days of Future Past, also both Movies are based on Marvel Comics and they are still not set in the same Uni- or Multiverse. </p><p>Also J.J. Abrahams is the Director of both the new Star Trek AND the new Star Wars Movies, so following your argumentation means if the new Star Wars Movie makes a Star Treck Refference then confirms this they are both in the same Multiverse and the Star Wars Wiki has to add all Star Trek Pages now? I don't thing so. </p><p>
</p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Hambergite wrote: </p><p>Exactly. The shows are still a part of the same connected multiverse, and Earth-S acts in the exact same fashion that Earth-2 does, regardless of what labels you want to use. </p> </i></div>
Right, but the Core of the DC Multiverse is the DC Comics COMICmultiverse and that Multiverse included all different TV Shows, Cartoons and Movies as <i>different Realitys</i>. <p>And we HAVE allready such a Wiki, THIS: DC Comics Database Wiki </p><p>This Wiki here starts as a specific Wiki ONLY for the different universe that was created on the "Arrow" TV Show and was supposted to be cover only all that Stuff of the "Arrow-Universe" (Short <i>Arrowverse</i>) </p><p>With the creation of the Supergirl TV Show for CBS the Showrunners confirmed that "Supergirl" is set on a whole different World and that World is not a Part of the "Arrowverse". The "Alternate Universe" Thing on the Crossover confirmed that too. </p><p>The argumentation that we should cover all Supergirl Stuff because we cover all Flash Earth-2 Stuff already sounds wrong because the Earth-2 Stuff is a huge Plot on a Show which is set on the Arrowverse already and is not a one or two time Crossover Episode with a totally different TV Show. </p> </div> <p>fan4stic and x-men didn't crossover now, did they? </p><p>as for your JJ Abrams argument. do you know the difference between reference and crossover? </p>
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<div class="quote"> <p>MadHatterJervisTetch wrote: Earth-S is a totally separate Universe that appered on a totally separate TV Show on a totally separate Network! What <i>if</i> the Showrunners create a own "Earth-2" for the Supergirl Show in which Kara meet her E-2 Counterpart Powergirl? </p> </i></div>
Technically, the show runners can create their own E2 for SG BUT, these earth's aren't really specific. The numbers are just for reference. They call E2 as such on the show because it's the first other "earth" they know of. E2 Wells called Team Flash's earth as his Earth Two.</div>
<p>Thats my point! ;-) The Supergirl Show can create a own "Earth-2" because the Supergirl Earth is their "Earth-1" When we cover both Shows on this Wiki, and The Flashs Earth-2 is a totally different earth as Supergirls Earth-2 we have two Earth-2s and completely confusion. </p><p>
</p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Yj Avi Mittal wrote: </p><p>supergirl is being handled by the people who handle arrowverse </p> </i></div>
firstly not completely the same people <p>secondly so is Fant4stic Four (2015) and X-Men Days of Future Past, also both Movies are based on Marvel Comics and they are still not set in the same Uni- or Multiverse. </p><p>Also J.J. Abrahams is the Director of both the new Star Trek AND the new Star Wars Movies, so following your argumentation means if the new Star Wars Movie makes a Star Treck Refference then confirms this they are both in the same Multiverse and the Star Wars Wiki has to add all Star Trek Pages now? I don't thing so. </p><p>
</p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Hambergite wrote: </p><p>Exactly. The shows are still a part of the same connected multiverse, and Earth-S acts in the exact same fashion that Earth-2 does, regardless of what labels you want to use. </p> </i></div>
Right, but the Core of the DC Multiverse is the DC Comics COMICmultiverse and that Multiverse included all different TV Shows, Cartoons and Movies as <i>different Realitys</i>. <p>And we HAVE allready such a Wiki, THIS: DC Comics Database Wiki </p><p>This Wiki here starts as a specific Wiki ONLY for the different universe that was created on the "Arrow" TV Show and was supposted to be cover only all that Stuff of the "Arrow-Universe" (Short <i>Arrowverse</i>) </p><p>With the creation of the Supergirl TV Show for CBS the Showrunners confirmed that "Supergirl" is set on a whole different World and that World is not a Part of the "Arrowverse". The "Alternate Universe" Thing on the Crossover confirmed that too. </p><p>The argumentation that we should cover all Supergirl Stuff because we cover all Flash Earth-2 Stuff already sounds wrong because the Earth-2 Stuff is a huge Plot on a Show which is set on the Arrowverse already and is not a one or two time Crossover Episode with a totally different TV Show. </p> </div> <p>fan4stic and x-men didn't crossover now, did they? </p><p>as for your JJ Abrams argument. do you know the difference between reference and crossover? </p>
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<p>I still maintain we shouldn't bring in Supergirl here, other than probably a single page for Kara. Can't we put it to a vote or something? lol
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<div class="quote"><i>KalvinEllis wrote:
I still maintain we shouldn't bring in Supergirl here, other than probably a single page for Kara. Can't we put it to a vote or something? lol</i></div>
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i think we should only do 1 page on kara because it is a multiverse thing </p>
I still maintain we shouldn't bring in Supergirl here, other than probably a single page for Kara. Can't we put it to a vote or something? lol</i></div>
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i think we should only do 1 page on kara because it is a multiverse thing </p>
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This was why I was hoping for Supergirl to be on the same Earth. This multiverse thing makes things complicated for us regarding crossovers. But I still think we should merge after the crossover happens.
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This was why I was hoping for Supergirl to be on the same Earth. This multiverse thing makes things complicated for us regarding crossovers. But I still think we should merge after the crossover happens.
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<p>It would've been nearly impossible to retcon, considering Barry's main goal in life was getting the world to believe in the impossible. On Supergirl, it was said Superman has been operating for 10 years. </p>
<p>It would've been nearly impossible to retcon, considering Barry's main goal in life was getting the world to believe in the impossible. On Supergirl, it was said Superman has been operating for 10 years. </p>
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<p>Well, I still think we should merge. If we decide not to merge, we should at least cover everything that happens in the crossover.
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<p>SeanWheeler wrote:
This was why I was hoping for Supergirl to be on the same Earth. This multiverse thing makes things complicated for us regarding crossovers. But I still think we should merge after the crossover happens.
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<p>It would've been nearly impossible to retcon, considering Barry's main goal in life was getting the world to believe in the impossible. On Supergirl, it was said Superman has been operating for 10 years. </p> </div> <p>Does that mean Supergirl is in the same universe as smallville? I'm not sure as I haven't watched either </p>
<p>It would've been nearly impossible to retcon, considering Barry's main goal in life was getting the world to believe in the impossible. On Supergirl, it was said Superman has been operating for 10 years. </p> </div> <p>Does that mean Supergirl is in the same universe as smallville? I'm not sure as I haven't watched either </p>
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<p>SeanWheeler wrote:
This was why I was hoping for Supergirl to be on the same Earth. This multiverse thing makes things complicated for us regarding crossovers. But I still think we should merge after the crossover happens.
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<p>It would've been nearly impossible to retcon, considering Barry's main goal in life was getting the world to believe in the impossible. On Supergirl, it was said Superman has been operating for 10 years. </p> </div> <p>Does that mean Supergirl is in the same universe as smallville? I'm not sure as I haven't watched either </p> </div> <p>Nah, as Smallville has its own Supergirl </p>
<p>It would've been nearly impossible to retcon, considering Barry's main goal in life was getting the world to believe in the impossible. On Supergirl, it was said Superman has been operating for 10 years. </p> </div> <p>Does that mean Supergirl is in the same universe as smallville? I'm not sure as I haven't watched either </p> </div> <p>Nah, as Smallville has its own Supergirl </p>
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<p>wow, this became a very big discussion
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<p>I know I've already made my stance on the issue clear, but as I've said above, Supergirl is a confirmed part of this connected multiverse, and there isn't a wiki yet dedicated to covering its entirety. My vote is also for combining the wikis.
</p><p>Besides, if it's a success, more crossovers are bound to happen, as with the annual Arrow/Flash team-up. All I'm saying is, logically, this makes the most sense. And while it might be cumbersome at first, I'm up to helping in any way I can.
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