Date[]
We should keep the date at 2019. Whilst the edit to "Before September 2019" was done for a good reason, keeping 2019 means that we don't have to worry about contradicting what does happen. The period of time that "Before September 2019" encapsulates would be much more vague than just putting 2019. It's especially important when you think about how the crisis will likely happen after the time jump that usually happens at the start of a season to make it start of in the present day of the viewer, rather than directly where the previous season left off, meaning that if it does happen before September 2019, it would technically happen offscreen.
Also, the whole spinning date thing was done for dramatic effect, so the production team probably didn't really put too much thought into the date and month section, because they were more focused on showing off the year being 2019.
ThomasRWade (talk) 01:37, May 19, 2019 (UTC)
I disagree. The whole point is to make it as accurate to what we've seen on the show as possible. 2019 is too big of a gap. If we have more idea when exactly the crisis takes place, why not share this information? If it's too vague, we can say "between May-August 2019" or something (Although I'm not sure if the finale takes place in May).
Also, we can't decide our edits on real life announcments like that. The crossover will probably air in December, but what we've seen on the show is way more important. It's like if an episode ends on a cliffhanger that suggests the main character died. You can't say on the wiki "well his status is 'Alive' not 'Unknown' because he's the main character and we have more episodes for the show so of course he's alive". You'll probably be right, but from what the show presented, he might be dead. And if we're already talking about spaculations, Flash season 5 started right when season 4 ended. The same will probably happen in Season 6 because we'll probably see Team Flash react to the date change. Not basing my edits off that, but it just shows that the crisis happening before September makes sense.
I think we should ask an Admin about that. In this wiki, nobody really looks at the talk section. Itamar_A (talk) 16:05, May 19, 2019 (UTC)
- I agree with you, Itamar, we can't assume that a character is dead or alive or anything just because we see something vague on a cliffhanger of an episode. So because of that, since the camera zooms in on the year and seems to leave the month alone while all of the parameters are still changing, we cannot assume that it was August/September. All that we know is that it stopped in 2019. We do not know that it stopped spinning on August because the camera panned out of that. IHH dt 7:52, Apr 12, 2024 (UTC)
I deeply ask an admin to unlock this page, or at least set a date to unlock it. I was never going to start an edit war, and if admins say that my edit isn't valid, I wouldn't just edit it like that again. I might not agree, and even try to appeal against the undo of my edit, but if an admin says no, than no. But with all due respect, I think that the reasons for locking this page are completely invalid, as there was no speculations on my part and my edit was entirely based on what we've seen on the show (again doesn't mean I want to edit it like that again, just that I don't understand why this isn't valid which doesn't mean I would return it), and as such think the page should get unlocked. Itamar_A (talk) 23:55, May 22, 2019 (UTC)
- Given that the ticker is spinning, there's every chance it may be spinning through random options, and so "during or before August" isn't necessarily true. While I see what you're saying, given the facts we're working with, it's not a conclusion we can settle on. While I agree an indefinite lock of the page wasn't altogether necessary, it's an incredibly high traffic page given its content matter, so for now a lock isn't the worst thing in the world, and it'll be unlocked in due course. —MakeShift (talk page) 00:27, May 23, 2019 (UTC)
It should be added in the trivia that with Oliver's deal with Mar Novu it is possible that Barry may not disappear in Crisis or that he could return from the Crisis. MarkMcG978 (talk) 18:22, July 10, 2019 (UTC)
Arrow Season 8[]
Should Earth-2's destruction by antimatter (and all of Oliver's missions throughout season 8) be included in the pre-crisis section? Justaperson084 (talk) 05:27, October 23, 2019 (UTC)
Yeah I agree. Itamar_A (talk) 23:31, October 25, 2019 (UTC)
The Death of Barry Allen[]
I'm going to propose that Barry be added to the casualties section next to a parenthesized "allegedly". The Monitor was right about Oliver dying and Barry believes him as well after seeing billions of possible futures for himself (way more than Strange's 14,000,605). Long before the Monitor's news and even any changes to the timeline, the news article reported the Flash as missing after the Crisis. By Season 5, Nora confirms that he never comes back during her lifetime. Also, while not evidence in its own right, Barry is one of the most famous casualties in the comic Crisis (which stuck for some 30 odd years- pretty permanent by comic-book standards).
The reason for the allegedly parenthetical is that the timeline is not set in stone, as proven countless times in The Flash and Legends. Barry viewed billions of futures but not all possible futures. Team Flash sans Barry still seems to hold out hope that they can change the timeline once more. Barry (and we the viewers) do not yet have context for the events of Crisis. For all we know, the "Death of the Flash" could be metaphorical or maybe he disappears into the Speed Force or far future; we will have to wait till January to know for certain. Furthermore, while Oliver's death is confirmed by his gravestone in the flashforwards that are confirmed canonical by the writers, no such out-of-universe confirmation has occurred for Barry's death, leaving it ambiguous.
If the mods find this proposition lacking, I'd at least like a "Barry Allen (MIA)" under casualties, considering he goes missing in all future timelines seen since the beginning of the show.
Venividivici0 (talk) 20:12, November 2, 2019 (UTC)
Correction needed in the Current Timeline[]
It should say the following:
Post-Crisis[]
In a possible future, after his death, Oliver Queen will be buried next to his father and his sister, his tombstone will read that he was a "beloved husband, brother, father and son. Hero of Star City. The Green Arrow".
Instead of:
Post-Crisis[]
In a possible future, after his death, Oliver Queen will be buried next to his parents, his tombstone will read that he was a "beloved husband, brother, father and son. Hero of Star City. The Green Arrow".
Moira Queen's grave was not shown in You Have Saved This City. Thanks. --The Immortal Selene (talk) 12:45, November 18, 2019 (UTC)
Picture[]
Hey is there any chance to update that picture. This was put back when the Crisis was just that newspaper, but now it's an actual crossover. I suggest replacing it with the picture of Frost, Vibe and Elongated Man running from Anti-Matter (from The Flash 6x02). Itamar_A (talk) 17:21, November 27, 2019 (UTC)
Unlock[]
Admins listen. Now is the perfect time to unlock this page because the Crisis is starting and there is a lot of work to do on the page for now. It just doesn't make sense for it to stay locked during the Crisis on Infinite Earths week. Itamar_A (talk) 16:42, December 4, 2019 (UTC)
Infobox type[]
Should the infobox be the combat one instead of the event one? This is more of a fight between the heroes and Anti-Monitor.--IC228 TALK 01:50, March 14, 2020 (UTC)
Deux Lex Machina[]
The recent episode of Supergirl titled the Crisis as 'Crisis on Infinite Earths'. Since the page is protected, is it pertinent enough to apply this alternate name into the summary of the page? It's more accurate to the name in the comics but it's currently the only example in which the name is used. Krucifixer (talk) 04:11, May 4, 2020 (UTC)
John Henry Irons[]
Do we know if when John was in his ship and Superman was attacking him, does that actually show the Crisis? It didn't seem like that to me. A-verse44 (talk) 15:27, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
I thought that when everything became red at the end, that was supossed to be the antimatter wave, but upon rewatching it, I might be wrong.Ninja72 (talk) 15:59, 2 June 2021 (UTC)