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Killing Barry Allen

Enough with the reverting war. Let's talk it here. There is no solid evidence saying he was there to kill the young or adult Barry.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 18:58, March 18, 2015 (UTC)

True, Harrison maybe should at have killed younger Barry, but the older Barry decided to keep his own self safe, so the future would still be continuing and the Flash would go on and on.99.158.28.249 22:17, March 31, 2015 (UTC) PeterParkerNoir (RF of ROBLOX)

Listen up Cloud, I'm not going to sit up here and take your crap just to be civil. You don't just get to waltz into a wiki and think you're in charge now. Quit edit warring with older and more experienced users. You've become quite intolerable, and you're getting to the point where no one likes you. The Barry that was there that night obviously is the Barry that's going to go back into time to prevent his mother's murder. Wells wouldn't have known that the older Barry was going to be there, and if he did, what would killing him do? Killing the Younger Barry is obvious, because then there would be no Barry Allen Flash EVER. That's pure logic, and it was totally obvious. He said he was there to kill Barry, NOT Nora. Which means Young Barry. Get your facts straight. Neptune - Everything's impossible until somebody does it. 19:02, March 18, 2015 (UTC)

You are aware this isn't my first wikia right? I've had much more experience on the Naruto wikia since 2007 and that wikia taught me to go based on solid evidence not pure speculation. Also, you say the internet agrees but majority doesn't make it true. After all, most once believed the earth was flat look what happened now. I don't think I'm in charge either. I just hold strongly to my beliefs, plain and simple. Also, I think you could use some fresh air if you're getting worked up over this. Also, you do have more edits than me on other wikias but it doesn't seem you've accumulated any experience doing so since I was the one who suggested this talk page so we can discuss which is better in a civil way. Being older doesn't make you more experienced. It just means you started editing earlier than I did, plain and simple. Facts? what facts? You're editing based on speculation. I'm doing it based on currently KNOWN details. I would say visit the Naruto wikia to see how I got my editing style but since the series long since ended there is no speculation anymore.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 19:11, March 18, 2015 (UTC)

PS In case you weren't aware I did accommodate to the Tess Morgan since you did put up a good point so no I don't think I'm right on everything.

Firstly, I was actually in the middle of leaving you a message on your talk page, as the message I left above was originally for that. Second of all, everything doesn't need to be outright stated for it to be factual. Just looking at the basics of time travel, and logic in general everyone would agree with me. Why would Wells go into the past to kill future Barry? That'd be retarded. I'm not getting worked up over this, I'm just sick of your arrogance. You made Jiskran leave, you get into an argument with the admins who are some of my best friends on Wikia in general on a weekly basis, and you're just not nice to edit alongside. You should have come to this wiki with a more humble attitude, but you didn't. Just because you suggest something be talked about on the talk page means nothing, you still edit warred with me as if you had a point, which you don't. I'm not visiting the Naruto Wiki to see how you became the editor that you are. Every wiki is different, so your style there, and how you dealt with users there should be slightly or largely different from how you do things here, depending on how different the rules are between the two wikis. Also, if you had bothered to check more articles on the wiki, a lot of things are decided on general consensus that aren't outright stated, such as General Eiling's death by the hands of Grodd, though according to the PaleyFest Sizzle Reel, that proved to be untrue. If that in fact happens, we change it. But this is way different, because this is obvious, whereas Eiling's death was ambiguous. I'm not the type to be hostile for no reason, this wiki is a great place, and I'd like to see it stay that way, which means everyone should be nice and humble to each other. MakeShift is the head admin of this wiki, and he's also one of it's most humble users. Neptune - Everything's impossible until somebody does it. 19:26, March 18, 2015 (UTC)

I wasn't trying to make anyone leave. I was simply strongly holding my belief. If this wikia used the character's talk pages more often, we wouldn't have this issue. How am I displaying arrogance? I am trying to say keep things non-speculative. Your argument on Tess Morgna made me realize I was doing exactly that so I kept it off. Also, a while back on Barry's page someone put the flash of yellow which saved Barry was Harrison (which I cleaned up), which proved to be false. Regardless of any wikia's rules and regulations the point is to inform in a non-speculative way. I am not saying I'm always right but I try to keep the articles neutral. Most of my activities here is cleaning up this wikia, especially the speculations. But I am not wasting anymore time arguing with you. If you want to put that young Barry argument go for it. But if you put any speculation stuff that turns out to be wrong, just remember I've tried to keep this wikia neutral.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 19:34, March 18, 2015 (UTC)

Ladies or gentlemen, whichever you are, please calm your tits down. We are all on the same team. Let's not make this personal and simply lay out the evidence to come to a proper conclusion. We already know time-travel in the Arrow-verse IS possible, as demonstrated by both Barry AND Wells. We know Wells has been trapped in our time since Nora Allen's death. We know Barry knows he is destined to go back in time and fail at saving his mom. The way this is turning out, it seems to me like this is a sort of time-loop or predestination paradox. Also, we still don't know WHAT motivated Wells to try and kill Barry as a child. And we still don't know what happened to Future-Barry, the one who time-travelled with Wells. Did he return to his proper place in the timeline? Or was he too trapped in the present day? Furthermore, we know Wells left the future, but we don't know at which point in the timeline he made the jump to Nora Allen's death, meaning he could have time travelled several times. And now that I think about it, could this be the reason why Thawne's powers are destabilizing, maybe since he didn't gain his powers from the particle accelerator blast, his powers began destabilizing from all the time-travelling. And while we're at it, how did Thawne gain his powers, and why are they so unstable that he required the Tachyon device and placed it on his suit, presumably to stabilize his powers? There's too many questions that need answering. RinneSharingan (talk) 21:59, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

I know there are unanswered questions. That's why I opted for an edit of Eobard targeting either the young or adult Barry so it covers all bases. But this guy somehow got into his head he was targeting the young Barry without any real evidence outside his speculation and demanded I let him edit him targeting the young Barry. I was the one who suggested this talk page so we could discuss things in a calmly manner, which did not happen.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 02:00, March 20, 2015 (UTC)

Your edit to the page sounded ridiculous, and Wells clearly stated that he was there to kill Barry that night. Which means Young Barry. There's no speculation in that. Neptune - Everything's impossible until somebody does it. 02:15, March 20, 2015 (UTC)

That is a matter of opinion. Sticking to the facts, we just know he was there to kill Barry. He could have meant the adult or young Barry but we don't know the full situation. On top of that, he's had Barry at his mercy for 15 years and didn't kill him. On top of that, he manipulated the events to make Barry into The Flash.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 02:52, March 20, 2015 (UTC)
PS Glad to see you've shimmered down and we can have a discussion. Also, when you reply to a certain paragraph put a :(followed by response under that paragraph so we know which one you're specifically replying to).

Cloud, I know about the ":", I just don't use it all the time, and it's not necessary to use all of the time because there's section headers separating conversations. First of all, sticking to the facts, if he went back in time, he was there to kill the young Barry, not the adult Barry, he said it himself that he eventually wants to kill the adult Barry and get him so fast so he can get back to his own time. But he also said that he got stuck in the past fifteen years ago, meaning that he didn't know he'd be stuck there, and was there to kill Young Barry originally. Obviously meaning keeping Barry Allen alive and making him the Flash was the only way to get back to his time after he originally got stuck there. He wouldn't have made him the Flash otherwise. He also wouldn't have gotten himself stuck in the past if he'd known he'd be stuck there beforehand. That would be absolutely ridiculous. I'm not speculating, I'm tying together things from past episodes and coming up with a logical conclusion. The producers even said that things from past episodes would be answered here. Neptune - Everything's impossible until somebody does it. 03:19, March 20, 2015 (UTC)

But he could have been fighting the adult Barry beforehand and used that as a weakness to exploit on the adult Barry as well. We just know he was there to kill Barry but he didn't specified which. Another explanation for him killing the adult Barry is for all we know he the Adult Barry could have been brain washed and he had to kill him but accidentally killed Nora. No matter how well your argument is, there's always an argument to protect the other side, which is why I am adamant against putting stuff like this in articles unless the show directly says/shows it. I edit in an unbiased way. Also, it was also "logical" to assume that yellow flash that transported Barry was Eobard (since someone put it there and it remained there for a long time) before I took it off since we now know that was a false. Plus what the producers said, it was very vague. So I would say you are speculating. What's a few weeks to be 100% sure? If the coming episodes prove he really intended to kill the young Barry, I will no longer stop your edit. In fact, I'll be happy to do it myself.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 05:28, March 20, 2015 (UTC)
For once, I'd have to say I agree with Cloud. While it seems logical that he went back for young Barry, it's not confirmed. It's quite easily possible that they were having some sort of "time-travel fight", jumping through time and eventually ending up there, with Eobard killing Nora. Until one is confirmed, it's wrong to assume such a thing, as technically there were 2 Barrys present. —MakeShift (talk page) 07:37, March 20, 2015 (UTC)
Good point, regarding the time travel fight. It's Flashpoint all over again: in the comic, Barry decided to stop Thawne from killing his mom, which meant both speedsters travelling the timestream at the same time to reach the same point in time. I'm starting to think a time loop of sorts is happening. This is pure speculation, but remember Eobard wants to kill Barry. However, he needs Barry to become the Flash so he could become the Reverse Flash, gain the speed powers, and stuff. What if Thawne DID find out in the future how to stabilize his powers, then went to kill kid Barry thinking now he could obliterate his nemesis, but adult Barry followed him, and the dual mega-timewarp to Nora Allen's death destabilized Thawne's powers since they were "borrowed" of sorts? Now, he needs Barry to become the Flash and unlock his full powers so Thawne can fully stabilize his own. I'm still trying to wrap my head around it, but something is seriously going on. RinneSharingan (talk) 00:10, March 26, 2015 (UTC)
Judging from your name I can only assume you're a Naruto fan. So you know those plot holes/cliffhangers can really be annoying. But there's only one thing to do: wait it out.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 04:33, March 27, 2015 (UTC)

Eobard's real face

Should we change the picture for the civilian identity for Eobard Thawne? We know what he looks like, and although he looks like Harrison Wells NOW, that isn't his real face. This just a suggestion. If you decide to go through with it, here's a picture. AmanRises (talk) 00:04, April 6, 2015 (UTC)
File:The-Flash-Reverse-Thawne-Actor-Matt-Letscher.jpg
We already have a photo of actual eobard in his article. We're using Wells' face because that is still him and it shows what he looks like now. Also, please view our image policies.TIMESHADE |T - C| 00:08, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

185.58.19.238 14:56, May 25, 2015 (UTC)TimeShade, what about when Eobard was being erased from existence, his Harrison Wells face morphed back into his original face, and dies that way. Should we change his profile pic to his original face then?185.58.19.238 14:56, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

I have put Eobard's real face in. Maymichael (talk) 22:36, August 10, 2015 (UTC)

No I think he means change the bio column so it has the real face of Eobard, like a picture of him spying on Harrison and Tess on the beach, that's the best shot of him we see in the entire show Flashdancer911 (talk) 08:34, October 28, 2015 (UTC)
File:The-Flash-Reverse-Thawne-Actor-Matt-Letscher.jpg
Well, that is technically a younger version of him. Just like using a flashback pic of Oliver as his infobox pic.TIMESHADE |T - C| 08:36, October 28, 2015 (UTC)

Typo

... because the page is protected.

He is also very layback about what happens to him

Laid back not layback, that is grammatically incorrect. TheAlexofEvil (talk) 15:25, May 20, 2015 (UTC)

Should we replace Eobard's civilian pic to his original face as when he was erased from existence, his H. Wells face morphed back to the real Eobard face?185.58.19.238 18:42, May 20, 2015 (UTC)

Dr. Wells VS Eobard Thawne

I just edited the page, and I noticed that many stuff about the character is written like: "Wells went to secret room", when I'm wondering should all those be replaced with "Eobard went to secret room" type. I know it's most likely written before we knew his name was really Eobard. I only replaced first Wells with "Wells" in ":s. What do you think?

JoeyTr (talk) 15:40, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

Possibility of Becoming a Living Paradox

When Eddie shot/killed himself to pevent Eobard from being born, the events involving Eobard would not have happened, including Eddie shooting himself. Therefore, Eddie would have lived and Eobard would have been born. However, Eobard being born would cause all events involving Eobard to happen, including Eddie shooting himself. Thus, Eobard would become a living paradox, possibily akin to the Flashpoint Paradox where he will exist in the timeline regardless of the events that happened. 

KK 96.50.80.131 23:00, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

I'm new to this wiki and new to the show, but I used to read quite a few DC comics. Anyway, when I first saw the episode where Eddie killed himself, I couldn't help but think the same thing you mentioned. If Eddie died then Eobard would not have been able to go back and do all the stuff with the particle accelerator and so forth. It would have created a divergent timeline. In that case, it wouldn't make sense for it to make Eobard disappear because it would have been affecting a different version of the timeline.Suceress (talk) 06:54, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

Google Easter Egg

This isn't related to the shows, but I just found out about a cool Easter Egg in Google Translate and idk if you guys know about it or not. If you go to Google Translate and set the languages as "Spanish to English" and type in Eobard Thawne in the Spanish side, it translates to Professor Zoom on the English side. 

HorrorFan01 (talk) 12:01, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Doesn't work for me :/ Kagemamoru (talk) 03:10, January 6, 2018 (UTC)

The wheelchair & apparent handicap

I was wondering what people think about the whole bit where it seems that Eobard (as Wells) pretended to be paralyzed. I get that they said it was so he could sit in his wheelchair with the power supply that basically charged his speedforce, but couldn't he have devised some other method to charge up that would allow him to walk? When he ran out of speed power in one of the episodes, he also seemed to lose the ability to walk. So, does anyone else think that his handicap was actually somewhat legitimate and that he was left unable to walk for awhile and needed to sit in the charging chair to restore his energy? I also wonder why it seems that his team didn't seem to be trying to find a way to cure his apparent paralysis (unless he said that he felt he deserved it as penance for the havoc caused by the accelerator accident-- but I could still see the team wanting to argue with him on that). And how the hell did the police not notice that his house did not appear to be ADA compliant? LOL. OK, maybe they assumed he has a maid or housekeeper or something who does stuff for him or that he's developed some tech to raise his chair up higher or something. Anyone else have thoughts on this?Suceress (talk) 07:00, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

Trivia or Behind the scenes?

Not sure if anyone is interested in this, but something that I found to be an interesting bit of trivia: on the show "Eli Stone", Tom Cavanagh played the late father of Matt Letscher's character. Also, Victor Garber played the head of a lawfirm on that program. The show was produced by the same people who made this show, so I think that is why they chose certain actors. Just throwing that out there if anyone thinks it should be added in to the wiki somewhere. Not sure if it would go under trivia or behind-the-scenes though. I'm guessing the latter rather than the former though.Suceress (talk) 18:36, November 25, 2015 (UTC)

We should use an image of Eobard's real face

Considering the fact that Eobard Thawne has indeed returned this season – in his original appearance with his real face – we should use an image of his original face in this article. Calli11298 (talk) 03:40, January 27, 2016 (UTC)

I've done a method where 3 images can be used.TIMESHADE |T - C| 04:23, January 27, 2016 (UTC)
I disagree. Even though it's his "real" face, it's not his "main" one in this universe – Letscher-Eobard appeared in four episodes (two of them being just cameos, mere seconds), while Cavanagh-Eobard appeared in twenty-five episodes with a lot of screentime in all but one. I like the idea of having all three images in the infobox, but I think the default picture should be Cavanagh-Eobard. He's the main version. - Ver-mont (talk) 18:27, March 31, 2016 (UTC)

Eobard's status

So due to time travel shenanigans Eobard Thawne came to the "present" from a closer "future" than the one in the first season, so should we still keep the death date?

Eobard is going to die at the end of Season 1 and his future self is still unborn so his birth-death should be intact while his status should be Unborn (Future Self) and Alive (Present Self)Kaestal (talk) 09:49, January 27, 2016 (UTC)

Harrison/Eobard Reference

I think another reference to Arrow Season 2 should be included. In the episode The Man Under The Hood, Caitlin Snow mentions his name.


Shoudn't there be an edit to Eobard's page regarding the events that occured this week on Flash, and Barry's interaction to Eobard/Harrison? 169.139.0.21 13:37, March 31, 2016 (UTC)

I think so. I'll leave it to someone who edits more regularly. Life is too crazy right now for me to focus enough to really sum up what happened.Suceress (talk) 06:44, April 2, 2016 (UTC)

Zoom Speed Mirage

I doubt that Zoom being unable to keep a speed mirage going while needing to run between two seperate Earths is proof that he is slower than Eobard.

Eobard only even did a speed mirage while in a building, citing Zoom's inability to move between worlds and various places in the two while having a perfect mirage isn't a good reason to say that Zoom is slower.

Kaestal (talk) 00:37, April 21, 2016 (UTC)

Gee

Thanks for consulting with the ongoing discussion before reversing the edits, Eobard95! I am sure the article benefits from speculation about how Thawne was so stupid he didn't figure out that Tess was dead and Flash was made before 2020, and no actual ruptures of time happened. --Kir the Wizard (talk) 22:37, June 27, 2016 (UTC)

First time travel

"(unknown to him, he had arrived in a new timeline, created by his first travel through time - turning him into a time remnant"

Are we sure this happened? Why not just treat the pre-show events and the on-show events as separate timelines, with the Time Remnant having to appear in the new one to prevent the Grandfather Paradox? --Kir the Wizard (talk) 10:44, June 29, 2016 (UTC)

When he left the future approximately

Assuming Eobard is the same age as his actor (2016-1970=46). He lived in the present day (post Mama Allen murder) for 16 years. That means he was about 30 when he left the future permanently. Since he was born in 2151 that means he left the future approximately 2181. --Revan's Exile (talk) 10:39, August 25, 2016 (UTC)

Good guess. I do not think we can be certain, since I don't think the show says that Eobard left the future at 2181 explicitly. --Wasky1234 (talk) 17:43, October 16, 2016 (UTC)

The Harrison Wells Profile Picture

I think the profile picture being used for Thawne in his Harrison Wells disguise is a little too dark. Why not use this picture instead? http://arrow.wikia.com/wiki/File:WellsEobardPipeline.png

Erik6767 (talk) 00:55, October 22, 2016 (UTC)

The image is against our image policies. Please read then and be sure to follow next time.TIMESHADE |T - C| 01:26, October 22, 2016 (UTC)

Is he really faster than Barry?

The person, who said that was Sara and she knows very little about speedsters. Besides the first time Sara actually met Barry was in the crossover and this was two episodes before the crossover, so the correctness of this statement should be considered questionable.Ninja72 (talk) 20:43, December 10, 2016 (UTC)

Well, she wasn't corrected by Stein and Jax, who personally know Barry, and even though Barry improved since then, I think the sheer speed of Eobard is apparent in LOT episodes. I don't think anybody, sans Savitar, was shown to move as fast.--Kir the Wizard (talk) 21:30, December 10, 2016 (UTC)
But Stein and Jax did not know that he has improved, because the last time they actually saw Barry brefore the crossover was in Season 2 episode 4, when Barry was much slower, This is probably the reason they did not correct her.  The reason could also be that they never heard her saying that, because they were not there, when she said that.Ninja72 (talk) 22:46, December 10, 2016 (UTC)
OK, do what you want.--Kir the Wizard (talk) 09:44, December 11, 2016 (UTC)

Status

Well, he was erased from the timeline even after the Flashpoint. It was proven, so the one in Legends of Tomorrow, is which Thawne? The one appeared on S2? I think his status needs an update. SeraphLucifer (talk) 20:37, December 12, 2016 (UTC)SeraphLucifer

The LOT Thawne is the one Barry "accidentally" set free after Flashpoint. Since he was in the Speed Force inbetween 2000 and 2016, which acts as a bunker for speedsters (as described by Harry), Thawne appeared in 2016 alive, while his "Wells" self was erased, along with the rest of the Thawne Family. Basically, it's one paradox (Thawne's erasure from existence is in Barry's memories) trade for the other (if Thawne doesn't exist, he can't bring Barry back to 2016). To change the Thawne family destiny, Eobard seeks out the Spear of Destiny.--Kir the Wizard (talk) 20:50, December 12, 2016 (UTC)
To clarify, now instead of a Young Thawne appearing as a time remnant to explain how Wellsobard came into being, now Wellsobard himself is a time remnant to explain Barry's memories of a life with him together, while the "real" Thawne is now paradoxically alive.--Kir the Wizard (talk) 20:51, December 12, 2016 (UTC)
      My personal guess would be that Eobard created some kind of "precursor-timeline" at the end of Flashpoint
      with respect to the new timeline into which he and Barry travelled from 2000 to 2016 via the speed force.
      The precursor-timeline unfolded without his "2000-self" (being erased in that scene). However, that
      precursor-timeline still influenced the fate of a bibliographically younger Eobard (at some point) in a sligthly
      different way but still left major events (like him eventually travelling back to 2000, mudering Nora Allen,
      becoming stranded, turning into "Wellsobard", Eddie sacrificing himself, Barry fighting Zoom, etc.) intact,
      but causes the changes in the newly unfolded timeline that we all used to know from season 1 and season
      2. This would make even more sense from the viewpoint that the speed force enforcers primarily turned Zoom
      into Black Flash at the end of season two in order to "pursue" Eobard, emerging a short time later with
      Barry from the year 2000. So, I think it is definitely the Post-Flashpoint Eobard that is currently appearing on
      LOT. --User:Dva (talk) 11:26, February 1, 2017 (UTC)

Picture update

http://prntscr.com/e9nkd4

This is should be the Reverse Flash picture now ZSomji16 (talk) 21:08, February 16, 2017 (UTC)ZSomji16

He's unmasked. Also, we don't crop images unless necessary. I do understand we do need a diff pic as it's his original likeness now but don't get a random pic for the sake of it.TIMESHADE |T - C| 21:26, February 16, 2017 (UTC)

Thawne timeline plotholes

If Thawne died normally at the end of Season 1, it would make perfect sense. But if his grandfather died, he would never have been born. So how would he have gone back in time to kill Nora Allen and kickstart the Flash? Everything should have been change to a timeline similar to Flashpoint.

With the Thawne who destroyed Flashpoint, he visibly had enough speed force to time travel, so he couldn't have been stranded for 15 years. So doesn't this mean that the events of the Flash should never have existed? 

If the Black Flash re-erased Thawne (visibly all versions of him throughout the timeline), how is it that the previous events of the Flash and Legends of Tomorrow still exist, as it was Thawne who led to the creation of the Flash?.Yupjaylovescomics (talk) 21:32, April 5, 2017 (UTC)

Harry explained that when Thawne's past self was in the Speed Force, he was protected from his own non-existence. I know that doesn't make sense. DCLover1995 (talk) 03:15, May 3, 2017 (UTC)

The best antagonist

I adore Eobard Thawne: he is undoubtedly the best antagonist of all the Arrowverse. Cruel, cunning, intelligent, methodical ... it is the most terrible enemy we can have. I hope he returns soon. Lupo95GxD (talk) 21:51, December 1, 2018 (UTC)

Moved

Moved this here, it's speculation as best I can tell.{{SUBST:KrytenKoroSig}} 01:58, May 28, 2019 (UTC)

Grandfather paradox

Due to the nature of the Speed Force and Eobard's erasures from existence, the exact temporal mechanism, structure and the timeline that Eobard hailed from is unknown. The following are possible phenomenons:

  • According to Eobard, the timeline that he hailed from was an timeline that Flash was supposed to receive his powers from the particle accelerator in 2020.[1][2] Therefore, his first encounter with the Flash had to happen some time between 2020 and 2024. Specifically, the Flash was described by Eobard as a mature and veteran hero, unlike the rookie he would end up training.[2] When explaining his motives to Barry Allen, Eobard (Wells) was asked by Barry if they were enemies in the future, but Eobard corrected this by saying that their rivalry happened in a future, implying the possibility of alternate timelines or alternate futures;[3] Furthermore, he noted the changed name of Barry's daughter, from Dawn in the previous timeline, to Nora West-Allen in the new timeline, in which she was named in honor of Nora Allen, slain by Thawne.[4] Also, Jay Garrick and Rip Hunter affirmed that the timeline and its future are always in motion.[5][6] Based on Jay's and Rip's words in conjunction with Eobard's words of his rivalry with his nemesis, it's possible that the place that Eobard hailed from is just one of the many possible futures in the timeline, instead of a older timeline that preceded the current timeline. An alternate future with some changes from the current timeline, one of the changes being the Thawne family never be erased from existence and a future in which Vandal Savage never conquered the world because this happened in the future where the Thawne family never existed in the 22nd century. Because of this, a younger version of Eobard appeared in the same timeline that he was erased from existence, coming from a future that will not exist for the current timeline.[7] Both versions of Eobard that existed in the current timeline also referenced several events that neither one witnessed due to being erased, including Damien Darhk's Genesis plan and the knowledge about Savitar being a version of Barry, further fueling the possibility of he be from this same timeline, however from a different future.[8][4]
  • Alternatively, it's possible that Eobard's first travel through time triggered all his future actions that occurred across history to take effect at one, which nullified the existence of the original timeline (where Harrison's and Tess's particle accelerator created the Flash in 2020) and trapped him within a time loop, continuing to exist as a time remnant despite the ancestry erasure - thus, he always encountered the Flash in 2016 of a new timeline he inadvertently created, with all the events transpiring between the night of 2000 and the point in time from which Eobard and Barry travel back to the night within the timeframe of the said loop, as well as Eobard's trips back to the future. Eobard's younger self ever thought that the Flash that he was fighting across different time periods was the Flash of the original timeline, but his nemesis is from a future timeline that will be created by Thawne himself later, making Eobard never have met his former idol created in 2020 from the original timeline. This is supported by Eobard's time remnant telling Barry that "the reality you and I know will fade away" when the two were in the "Flashpoint" timeline.[2]
    • If this is the case, Eobard's existence was preserved through the Speed Force as a time remnant which spared him from Eddie's suicide in 2015 which wiped out their family. However, Eobard returning to the future of this current timeline after his first encounter with the Flash should have been one where the Thawne dynasty never existed. Eobard (Wells) would speak as though there were still other family members in his time, despite being in the current timeline where they never existed because of Eddie's suicide, while Eobard's time remnant would be aware of existing as an aberration. This imply the possibility of Eobard's personal timeline, the events of 2151 and beyond, being preserved by the Speed Force and coexisting with the current one with him somehow being able to travel between them both - intentionally or not, until he caused the timeline rupture that would erase his timeline.

Was it Ever revealed How thawne Was imprisoned? --Shiore2006 (talk) 18:59, July 5, 2019 (UTC)Shiore2006 No; just that he's been in jail on death row in Iron Heights for 15 years as of 2049 (imprisoned c.2034) Sddelano5 (talk) 00:38, July 6, 2019 (UTC)


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