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Royal Flush Gang(s)

According to the DC Comics website: "The Royal Flush Gang got beat by four aces. True fans know that this particular gang first appeared on Arrow as bank robbers. This explains why there are only three cards in the deck—one of them died in Oliver’s arms." This means that the Royal Flush Gang on The Flash is actually composed of the remaining members from Arrow (rather than being a separate legacy gang). DarkKnight2149 06:41, September 9, 2018 (UTC)

As has been discussed, DC comics website is not canon. What is seen on the TV screen is our only source of canon for episode-related materials. So we can't make assumptions based on this website. $\int$ IHH dt    18:16, Aug 13, 2020 (UTC)
As has been discussed (with no response), can you please explain to me where it's stated or implied that the gang in The Flash is a separate gang?
There's no on-screen evidence for this. Nowhere is that implied. However, there is on-screen evidence that it isn't separate gang - There were four members in Arrow until one of them was killed off. There are three members in The Flash, and the genders line up perfectly with the surviving members (as the DC site even points out). In all of their future mentionings after The Flash, the Royal Flush Gang is referred to only as "The Restons".
At this point, I really don't see how the current edit is justified. At the very least, the article needs to be more vague than "There are two separate gangs", as there is nothing official to support that. Darkknight2149 18:35, June 10, 2019 (UTC)

Originally we had them as the same. Then it was separated, because it was not confirmed they were the same people from Arrow. However, now we do have a source that confirms they are the same, so I agree that they should be merged. Also, I fail to see how the DC comics website is considered non-canon. The Arrowverse is one of the many DC Comics continuities after all.Ninja72 (talk) 21:21, August 18, 2019 (UTC)

Not to mention that DC / WB has full control over who appears in the Arrowverse and who doesn't. Characters like Batman (not Bruce Wayne, just Batman), Blue Beetle, and The Question have already been barred from appearing in the Arrowverse because of potential movie plans. Deathstroke and the Suicide Squad have also been removed from Arrow for similar reasons.
Now with Elseworlds and Crisis on Infinite Earths, TV shows and movies from outside the CW are crossing over. Then there's the NBC John Constantine situation. I don't see why the DC Entertainment website wouldn't be a reliable source, when they are clearly a higher authority on who can be used than the CW is.
Even if we consider the DC source to be unreliable, the claim that there are "two separate gangs" is even less evidenced than "they're the same gang". Reliable or not, the DC article raises a good point -
"The Royal Flush Gang got beat by four aces. True fans know that this particular gang first appeared on ARROW as bank robbers. This explains why there are only three cards in the deck—one of them died in Oliver’s arms."
I believe that we need to either be neutral on whether or not they're the same, or we need to go with the DC Entertainment source. An unconfirmed claim in place of a less unconfirmed claim isn't an improvement. Right now, there's no evidence that they are separate. Darkknight2149 19:33, August 20, 2019 (UTC)

Royal Flush debate

So far, there seems to be two in favour of changing it and one in favour of keeping it. Does anyone else want to chime in? The protection says "until it can be sorted out on the talk page". Darkknight2149 06:56, September 17, 2019 (UTC)

...Well? Darkknight2149 08:44, September 30, 2019 (UTC)
No replies? From anyone? Is the page going to stay protected for all eternity? Darkknight2149 05:33, October 17, 2019 (UTC)

Redux

Since no one is going to respond to this (and the users that supposedly opposed this have never been identified or come forward), I think it's time we unprotected the page and changed back to the sourced revision. Darkknight2149 08:19, May 20, 2020 (UTC)

For the record, I support counting them as the same, and I believe I saw a few other people in the discord supporting it too.Schroeswald (talk) 19:01, May 21, 2020 (UTC)
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