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  • It has been announced that the Flash will be making his way to National City on the March 28th episode of Supergirl. A crossover has been in the talks for a while and it's finally happening.

    There has been facts on the show which rules out them existing in the same universe. So is this version within the same multiverse? We'll find out soon enough!

    EDIT: It has been confirmed by Deadline that the crossover will be dimensional.

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    • yay!!! I can't wait to see it. I hope this crossover isn't a one time thing.

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    • This is the enemy at work here, tryna get us to glue ourselves to as many shows as possible.  3 isnt enough?  I gotta catch up on Smallville 2.0 now?

      To encompass the wiki for Supergirl,  "DCTU", DC Television Univ -- *splitting head ache*

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    • Wow, so is this going to be like Constantine? As in would this wiki start covering Supergirl, too? lol Damn, good times to be a comic fan.

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    • KalvinEllis wrote: Wow, so is this going to be like Constantine? As in would this wiki start covering Supergirl, too? lol Damn, good times to be a comic fan.

      We'll see. Something that will need to be discussed of course and depending on the context of the crossover.

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    • My guess is it's probably going to be an alternate earth most likely, or they'll have agreed to pull a Constantine and work collaboratively cross-channels. Either way I'm loving this, I can't wait.

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    • TimeShade wrote:

      KalvinEllis wrote: Wow, so is this going to be like Constantine? As in would this wiki start covering Supergirl, too? lol Damn, good times to be a comic fan.

      We'll see. Something that will need to be discussed of course and depending on the context of the crossover.

      Yeah, cause if this wiki would cover Supergirl, then it would make sense for the Supergirl wiki to cover the Arrowverse as well, right? I think my head hurts. lol The beauty of the multiverse.

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    • KalvinEllis wrote:

      TimeShade wrote:

      KalvinEllis wrote: Wow, so is this going to be like Constantine? As in would this wiki start covering Supergirl, too? lol Damn, good times to be a comic fan.

      We'll see. Something that will need to be discussed of course and depending on the context of the crossover.

      Yeah, cause if this wiki would cover Supergirl, then it would make sense for the Supergirl wiki to cover the Arrowverse as well, right? I think my head hurts. lol The beauty of the multiverse.

      And also gotta consider what User:TheSonofNeptune wants. He may likely be ok with a merge if we do as he's good friends with us. The main thing really is knowing what Earth Supergirl is.

      Also, relatable?

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    • TimeShade wrote:

      KalvinEllis wrote:

      TimeShade wrote:

      KalvinEllis wrote: Wow, so is this going to be like Constantine? As in would this wiki start covering Supergirl, too? lol Damn, good times to be a comic fan.

      We'll see. Something that will need to be discussed of course and depending on the context of the crossover.
      Yeah, cause if this wiki would cover Supergirl, then it would make sense for the Supergirl wiki to cover the Arrowverse as well, right? I think my head hurts. lol The beauty of the multiverse.
      And also gotta consider what User:TheSonofNeptune wants. He may likely be ok with a merge if we do as he's good friends with us. The main thing really is knowing what Earth Supergirl is.

      Also, relatable?


      Hahaha, totally relatable. This whole thing also begs the question how can DC allow them to do crossovers like this, but not introduce Hal Jordan on the show, or have two different Deadshots or two different Wallers. DC's restrictions make absolutely no sense to me.

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    • KalvinEllis wrote:
      TimeShade wrote:

      KalvinEllis wrote:


      TimeShade wrote:

      KalvinEllis wrote: Wow, so is this going to be like Constantine? As in would this wiki start covering Supergirl, too? lol Damn, good times to be a comic fan.

      We'll see. Something that will need to be discussed of course and depending on the context of the crossover.
      Yeah, cause if this wiki would cover Supergirl, then it would make sense for the Supergirl wiki to cover the Arrowverse as well, right? I think my head hurts. lol The beauty of the multiverse.
      And also gotta consider what User:TheSonofNeptune wants. He may likely be ok with a merge if we do as he's good friends with us. The main thing really is knowing what Earth Supergirl is.

      Also, relatable?


      Hahaha, totally relatable. This whole thing also begs the question how can DC allow them to do crossovers like this, but not introduce Hal Jordan on the show, or have two different Deadshots or two different Wallers. DC's restrictions make absolutely no sense to me.

      I think bringing in Hal Jordan will most likely be LOT's job. I'm guessing we'll get enough DC characters from Legends of Tomorrow to more than satisfy us, considering how big the premise really is.

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    • I am so glad they r doing this crossover. Finally our prayers have been answered.

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    • In the beginning of the Flash, it was stated that non-impossible things arent real, but if Superman was active before that time, should'nt that be retconned.

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    • And since Oracle is "taken", we can expect to see Batman popping up.  Oh, how I want to see him school Arrow in the ways of true vigilantism.

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    • Enda McNabola wrote:
      In the beginning of the Flash, it was stated that non-impossible things arent real, but if Superman was active before that time, should'nt that be retconned.

      How is Super Man not real????

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    • i'm dead excited for this to happen i'd always guessed it would especially hearing about it so i'm extremely jumping to see what could happen especially since Constantine has been on Arrow, Vixen will appear on Arrow as Diggle will appear on The Flash 

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    • I am so excited! However I am now going to have to bing watch Supergirl because I have not seen a single episode. I wonder how exactly they are going to do this, because you would think if this isn't and opposite Earth deal that Barry would have heard about her already, not to mention Superman and you know aliens.

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    • LucasVerBeek wrote:
      I am so excited! However I am now going to have to bing watch Supergirl because I have not seen a single episode. I wonder how exactly they are going to do this, because you would think if this isn't and opposite Earth deal that Barry would have heard about her already, not to mention Superman and you know aliens.

      It could easily be explained as being set prior to the events of Arrow, LOT and The Flash or sometime in the distant future. I doubt it will be a one-off (especially if the cross-over is successful) and thus having it be part of another universe altogether would be a bad idea imo.

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    • Wonder if the Flash will metion the Green Arrow & co. at all! Awesome namedrop!

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    • Hsanders1 wrote:
      Wonder if the Flash will metion the Green Arrow & co. at all! Awesome namedrop!

      I'd love that!

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    • TimeShade wrote:
      It has been announced that the Flash will be making his way to National City on the March 28th episode of Supergirl. A crossover has been in the talks for a while and it's finally happening.

      There has been facts on the show which rules out them existing in the same universe. So is this version within the same multiverse? We'll find out soon enough!


      NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

      Oh god this is so terrible leave Supergirl ALONE !!!!!!!!!!!

      There is NO NEED to connect all the DC Comics Shows to each over!!! Supergirl works realy well as stand alone Show so far! In fact Supergirl is much better, MUCH, as The Flash right now! Why must be forced a stupid Crossover for two Shows where so fine without this. -_-

      Whats coming next? A Crossover between "Arrow" and "Gotham"?

      Also why no one from your freaking Fanboys not yell for a Crossover between the Arrowverse and IZOMBIE! I Zombie is also a DC Comics Show that already is ALSO on The CW! Is it because nobody of you give a fu.. about IZombie cause its technically NOT a Superhero Show?!

      A Crossover at least between ARROW and IZombie would be even more obvious as the The Flash/Supergirl Thing, because in the New 52 Comics Green Arrow is moved from Star City to Seattle. And Seattle is the City in witch IZombie takes place. Oliver Queen hunts down a Serial Killer from Star City to Seattle and crosses paths with Liv Moore and Clive Babineaux because they examine the same murder case is definitivly more plausible as Barry travels to National City!

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    • MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:
      TimeShade wrote:
      It has been announced that the Flash will be making his way to National City on the March 28th episode of Supergirl. A crossover has been in the talks for a while and it's finally happening.

      There has been facts on the show which rules out them existing in the same universe. So is this version within the same multiverse? We'll find out soon enough!


      NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

      Oh god this is so terrible leave Supergirl ALONE !!!!!!!!!!!

      There is NO NEED to connect all the DC Comics Shows to each over!!! Supergirl works realy well as stand alone Show so far! In fact Supergirl is much better MUCH as The Flash right now! Why must be forced a stupid Crossover for two Shows where so fine without this. -_-

      Whats coming next? A Crossover between "Arrow" and "Gotham"?

      Also why no one from your freaking Fanboys not yell for a Crossover between the Arrowverse and IZOMBIE! I Zombie is also a DC Comics Show that already is ALSO an The CW! Is it because nobody of you give a fu.. of IZombie cause its technically NOT a Superhero Show?!

      A Crossover at least between ARROW and IZombie would be even more obvious as the The Flash/Supergirl Thing, because in the New 52 Comics Green Arrow is moved from Star City to Seattle. And Seattle is the City in witch IZombie takes place. Oliver Queen hunts a Serial Killer from Star City to Seattle and crosses paths with Liv Moore and Clive Babineaux because they examine the same murder case is is definitivly more plausible as Barry travels to National City!

      Arrow and Gotham wouldn't work! No Batman yet!

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    • Fearless Diva wrote:

      Enda McNabola wrote:
      In the beginning of the Flash, it was stated that non-impossible things arent real, but if Superman was active before that time, should'nt that be retconned.
      How is Super Man not real????

      in the "Arrow-verse" its canon that BEFOR Arrow shows up no other Heroes or Vigilantes are there and definitivly no BATMAN or SUPERMAN and no one on the Arrow-verse EVER has mentioned Metropolis or Gotham City or anything related to one of the two Superheroes.

      ON Supergirl its Canon that SUPERMAN already exists in Metropolis and he is the ONLY Superhero so far! But now Kara steps up as "Supergirl" in National City to follow his footsteps!

      Both Shows can't be in the Same World without creating heavily Plotholes for eatch other.

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    • Hsanders1 wrote:
      MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:
      TimeShade wrote:
      It has been announced that the Flash will be making his way to National City on the March 28th episode of Supergirl. A crossover has been in the talks for a while and it's finally happening.

      There has been facts on the show which rules out them existing in the same universe. So is this version within the same multiverse? We'll find out soon enough!


      NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

      Oh god this is so terrible leave Supergirl ALONE !!!!!!!!!!!

      There is NO NEED to connect all the DC Comics Shows to each over!!! Supergirl works realy well as stand alone Show so far! In fact Supergirl is much better MUCH as The Flash right now! Why must be forced a stupid Crossover for two Shows where so fine without this. -_-

      Whats coming next? A Crossover between "Arrow" and "Gotham"?

      Also why no one from your freaking Fanboys not yell for a Crossover between the Arrowverse and IZOMBIE! I Zombie is also a DC Comics Show that already is ALSO an The CW! Is it because nobody of you give a fu.. of IZombie cause its technically NOT a Superhero Show?!

      A Crossover at least between ARROW and IZombie would be even more obvious as the The Flash/Supergirl Thing, because in the New 52 Comics Green Arrow is moved from Star City to Seattle. And Seattle is the City in witch IZombie takes place. Oliver Queen hunts a Serial Killer from Star City to Seattle and crosses paths with Liv Moore and Clive Babineaux because they examine the same murder case is is definitivly more plausible as Barry travels to National City!

      Arrow and Gotham wouldn't work! No Batman yet!


      Dude The Flash and Supergirl wouldn't work either!!! No Superman existing in the Arrow-verse! That is exactly my point!

      Also you have in fact Jim Gordon fights SUPERVILLAINS on "Gotham" and Green Arrow fights "Random Mobsters" on Arrow so it dosent need a "Batman" for a Crossover.

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    • MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:
      Hsanders1 wrote:
      MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:
      TimeShade wrote:
      It has been announced that the Flash will be making his way to National City on the March 28th episode of Supergirl. A crossover has been in the talks for a while and it's finally happening.

      There has been facts on the show which rules out them existing in the same universe. So is this version within the same multiverse? We'll find out soon enough!


      NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

      Oh god this is so terrible leave Supergirl ALONE !!!!!!!!!!!

      There is NO NEED to connect all the DC Comics Shows to each over!!! Supergirl works realy well as stand alone Show so far! In fact Supergirl is much better MUCH as The Flash right now! Why must be forced a stupid Crossover for two Shows where so fine without this. -_-

      Whats coming next? A Crossover between "Arrow" and "Gotham"?

      Also why no one from your freaking Fanboys not yell for a Crossover between the Arrowverse and IZOMBIE! I Zombie is also a DC Comics Show that already is ALSO an The CW! Is it because nobody of you give a fu.. of IZombie cause its technically NOT a Superhero Show?!

      A Crossover at least between ARROW and IZombie would be even more obvious as the The Flash/Supergirl Thing, because in the New 52 Comics Green Arrow is moved from Star City to Seattle. And Seattle is the City in witch IZombie takes place. Oliver Queen hunts a Serial Killer from Star City to Seattle and crosses paths with Liv Moore and Clive Babineaux because they examine the same murder case is is definitivly more plausible as Barry travels to National City!

      Arrow and Gotham wouldn't work! No Batman yet!

      dude The Flash and Supergirl wouldn't work either!!! No Superman eixisting in the Arrow-verse! That is exactly my point!

      Ok! Ok! Calm down just saying!

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    • Oh i get it the whole other world thing. sorry.

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    • MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:

      Fearless Diva wrote:


      Enda McNabola wrote:
      In the beginning of the Flash, it was stated that non-impossible things arent real, but if Superman was active before that time, should'nt that be retconned.
      How is Super Man not real????
      in the "Arrow-verse" its canon that BEFOR Arrow shows up no other Heroes or Vigilantes are there and definitivly no BATMAN or SUPERMAN and no one on the Arrow-verse EVER has mentioned Metropolis or Gotham City or anything related to one of the two Superheroes.

      ON Supergirl its Canon that SUPERMAN already exists in Metropolis and he is the ONLY Superhero so far! But now Kara steps up as "Supergirl" in National City to follow his footsteps!

      Both Shows can't be in the Same World without creating heavily Plotholes for eatch other.

      Blackgate which is in Gotham City exists in the Arrowverse therefore Gotham the city exists. I just hope it's not Gotham from Gotham because that show is 100% Crap.

      Plus Joe references his colleague Jimmy in the same sentence as Blackgate. James Gordon. I just hope and pray it is not Gotham. Supergirl won't bug me if it is in an alternate universe. I would hate to have a show exist in this universe that brings Superman as baggage and us never get to actually see Superman team up with the Flash. 

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    • Wildesheer9876 wrote:
      MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:

      Fearless Diva wrote:



      Enda McNabola wrote:
      In the beginning of the Flash, it was stated that non-impossible things arent real, but if Superman was active before that time, should'nt that be retconned.
      How is Super Man not real????
      in the "Arrow-verse" its canon that BEFOR Arrow shows up no other Heroes or Vigilantes are there and definitivly no BATMAN or SUPERMAN and no one on the Arrow-verse EVER has mentioned Metropolis or Gotham City or anything related to one of the two Superheroes.

      ON Supergirl its Canon that SUPERMAN already exists in Metropolis and he is the ONLY Superhero so far! But now Kara steps up as "Supergirl" in National City to follow his footsteps!

      Both Shows can't be in the Same World without creating heavily Plotholes for eatch other.

      Blackgate which is in Gotham City exists in the Arrowverse therefore Gotham the city exists. I just hope it's not Gotham from Gotham because that show is 100% Crap.

      Plus Joe references his colleague Jimmy in the same sentence as Blackgate. James Gordon. I just hope and pray it is not Gotham. Supergirl won't bug me if it is in an alternate universe. I would hate to have a show exist in this universe that brings Superman as baggage and us never get to actually see Superman team up with the Flash. 


      Mentioning Blackgate dosent mean this confirms Gotham City! Arrow uses a LOT of minor Batman Villains (including the Dollmaker wich is on "Gotham" too ^^) and Ras al Ghul and the League of Assassins already. Also Blüdheaven, the City near Gotham from the Nightwing Comics was mentioned. This means not Gotham City existst! This means in THIS World Blüdheaven is a City near to Starling City or anything else INSTEAD of Gotham City and Blackgate probably is in a other City too. The Prison in Arrow is IRON HEIGHTS not Blackgate.

      Joe meantioned a "Jim" is also at least an Easter Egg for us and not a confirmation of an existing James Gordon! As Cisco create a Flash Signal in Episode 1 from Season two he mentioned he has seen something like that in a COMICBOOK! This was also just an Easter Egg for us Fanboys thats all!

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    • I don't love the Flash or Arrow that much anymore, but I feel like putting them in the same continuity as Supergirl lessens the Arrowverse. I like the darker parts of Arrow and the Flash better, so Supergirl seems too light and cheesy for the Arrowverse. 

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    • Some of you need to stop making assumptions. It has yet to be confirmed how they crossover. There are hundreds of ways they could do it, doesn't mean it's from the same continuity.

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    • I'm honestly against any sort of connection with the Arrowverse and Supergirl, like yeah it's a cool show, but I personally don't think they meld well. So hopefully it's some sort of Alternate Timeline

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    • TimeShade wrote:
      Some of you need to stop making assumptions. It has yet to be confirmed how they crossover. There are hundreds of ways they could do it, doesn't mean it's from the same continuity.


      It doesent matter at all! It "is" somehow possible thats true, but this proves that it was not supposted to happening at the Creation of those Shows!

      And it is simply not necessary to due so! The Flash could be easily travel to a different Universe and make a Crossover with the old Batman Show with Adam West, or just dreamed about traveling in a World that looks like the Adam West Batman show. But it is necessary? NO !!!

      The Flash and Supergirl are both supposed to be Shows without connections to eatch over and both Shows are in genereal light shows with symphatic Protagonists with extraodinary Superpowers who fights superpowerd Supervillains. Both shows are literaly the same thing! A Crossover between these Shows can't be bring something on the table that both of those shows are missing without it! So its simply no reason at all for such a Crossover!

      Only it is somehow Possible means not they HAVE TO DO IT!

      In the worst case that Episode can ruin two great Superhero shows totally! Fans that lke the Arrow-Verse but somehow didint like "Superman" can be realy pissed. Fans from the Supergirl Series can be realy pissed too, because they have been watching now two seasons of the Flash (and so also 4 seasons of Arrow) to completlely unterstand a Series they are watching right now in his first season.

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    • MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:

      TimeShade wrote:
      Some of you need to stop making assumptions. It has yet to be confirmed how they crossover. There are hundreds of ways they could do it, doesn't mean it's from the same continuity.


      It doesent matter at all! It "is" somehow possible thats true, but this proves that it was not supposted to happening at the Creation of those Shows!

      And it is simply not necessary to due so! The Flash could be easily travel to a different Universe and make a Crossover with the old Batman Show with Adam West, or just dreamed about traveling in a World that looks like the Adam West Batman show. But it is necessary? NO !!!

      The Flash and Supergirl are both supposed to be Shows without connections to eatch over and both Shows are in genereal light shows with symphatic Protagonists with extraodinary Superpowers who fights superpowerd Supervillains. Both shows are literaly the same thing! A Crossover between thse Shows can't be bring something on the table that both of those shows are missing without it! So its simply no reason at all for such a Crossover!

      Only it is somehow Possible means not they HAVE TO DO IT!

      In the worst case that Episode can ruin two great Superhero shows totally! Fans that lke the Arrow-Verse but somehow didint like "Superman" can be realy pissed. Fans from the Supergirl Series can be realy pissed too, because they have been watching now two seasons of the Flash (and so also 4 seasons of Arrow) to completlely unterstand a Series they are watching right now in his first season.

      The point of my comment is that people were inserting Supergirl info as canon.

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    • MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:
      TimeShade wrote:
      Some of you need to stop making assumptions. It has yet to be confirmed how they crossover. There are hundreds of ways they could do it, doesn't mean it's from the same continuity.

      It doesent matter at all!

      It "is" somehow possible thats true, but this proves that it was not supposted to happening at the Creation of those Shows!

      And it is simply not necessary to due so! The Flash could be easily travel to a different Universe and make a Crossover with the old Batman Show with Adam West, or just dreamed about traveling in a World that looks like the Adam West Batman show. But it is necessary? NO !!!

      The Flash and Supergirl are both supposed to be Shows without connections to eatch over and both Shows are in genereal light shows with symphatic Protagonists with extraodinary Superpowers who fights superpowerd Supervillains. Both shows are literaly the same thing! A Crossover between thse Shows can't be bring something on the table that both of those shows are missing without it! So its simply no reason at all for such a Crossover!

      Only it is somehow Possible means not they HAVE TO DO IT!

      In the worst cace that Episode can ruin two great Superhero shows totally! Fans that lke the Arrow-Verse but somehow didint like "Superman" can be realy pissed. Fans from the Supergirl Series can be realiy pissed too, because they has been watching now two seasons of the Flash (and so also 4 seasons of Arrow) to completlely unterstand a Series they are watching right now in his first season.


      Tell me how can this one-off filler type story "ruin" the shows? It fits the current storyarc that "The Flash" explores about different realities. Barry somehow finds himself in Supergirl's reality, helps her defeat the bad guy and comes back to his own reality. How does that ruin anything?

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    • KalvinEllis wrote:
      MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:
      TimeShade wrote:
      Some of you need to stop making assumptions. It has yet to be confirmed how they crossover. There are hundreds of ways they could do it, doesn't mean it's from the same continuity.

      It doesent matter at all!

      It "is" somehow possible thats true, but this proves that it was not supposted to happening at the Creation of those Shows!

      And it is simply not necessary to due so! The Flash could be easily travel to a different Universe and make a Crossover with the old Batman Show with Adam West, or just dreamed about traveling in a World that looks like the Adam West Batman show. But it is necessary? NO !!!

      The Flash and Supergirl are both supposed to be Shows without connections to eatch over and both Shows are in genereal light shows with symphatic Protagonists with extraodinary Superpowers who fights superpowerd Supervillains. Both shows are literaly the same thing! A Crossover between thse Shows can't be bring something on the table that both of those shows are missing without it! So its simply no reason at all for such a Crossover!

      Only it is somehow Possible means not they HAVE TO DO IT!

      In the worst cace that Episode can ruin two great Superhero shows totally! Fans that lke the Arrow-Verse but somehow didint like "Superman" can be realy pissed. Fans from the Supergirl Series can be realiy pissed too, because they has been watching now two seasons of the Flash (and so also 4 seasons of Arrow) to completlely unterstand a Series they are watching right now in his first season.


      Tell me how can this one-off filler type story "ruin" the shows? It fits the current storyarc that "The Flash" explores about different realities. Barry somehow finds himself in Supergirl's reality, helps her defeat the bad guy and comes back to his own reality. How does that ruin anything?


      did you watch "Supergirl"?

      Kara has already a lot to deal with it and her Season and Story would be as far as the Flashs Story was in his first season who Barry lerns that Wells is the Reverse Flash. Now imagine you are watching a Series with this dramaticaly events are happening and THAN insteat of going on with her own story a new hero from a different Universe (Show) pops up and you have to watch who the Heros of your show DEAL WITH THAT insteat of her own story.

      my point is, that such unnecessary episodes slow down the current Storyline of those shows. Also in "Supergirl" only THREE Heroes exisits Superman, who is more mentioned than seen, Supergirl of cource, and the Martian Manhunter, who is hiding his true identity from the public.

      Give the show time to expand and envolve these characters BEFORE you throw a different Hero from a Different Universe into THIS!

      This can ruin the Supergirl show, because they are only in her first season and are not envolving the Characters enough yet! Such a Crossover can totally confuse the Supergirl viewers who dossent know who the Flash is and this can end in lesser viewers watching Supergirl and the Show got canceled. In the WORST CASE Szenario at least.

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    • It's just one filler episode, dude. It doesn't take away anything that goes on in the main arc. The same thing as the crossoviers with Flash and Arrow. Both shows' main arc takes a break for one episode, so we can see a bunch of superheroes deal with some crisis on screen together. That's what it is, nothing more.

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    • MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:
      KalvinEllis wrote:
      MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:
      TimeShade wrote:
      Some of you need to stop making assumptions. It has yet to be confirmed how they crossover. There are hundreds of ways they could do it, doesn't mean it's from the same continuity.

      It doesent matter at all!

      It "is" somehow possible thats true, but this proves that it was not supposted to happening at the Creation of those Shows!

      And it is simply not necessary to due so! The Flash could be easily travel to a different Universe and make a Crossover with the old Batman Show with Adam West, or just dreamed about traveling in a World that looks like the Adam West Batman show. But it is necessary? NO !!!

      The Flash and Supergirl are both supposed to be Shows without connections to eatch over and both Shows are in genereal light shows with symphatic Protagonists with extraodinary Superpowers who fights superpowerd Supervillains. Both shows are literaly the same thing! A Crossover between thse Shows can't be bring something on the table that both of those shows are missing without it! So its simply no reason at all for such a Crossover!

      Only it is somehow Possible means not they HAVE TO DO IT!

      In the worst cace that Episode can ruin two great Superhero shows totally! Fans that lke the Arrow-Verse but somehow didint like "Superman" can be realy pissed. Fans from the Supergirl Series can be realiy pissed too, because they has been watching now two seasons of the Flash (and so also 4 seasons of Arrow) to completlely unterstand a Series they are watching right now in his first season.


      Tell me how can this one-off filler type story "ruin" the shows? It fits the current storyarc that "The Flash" explores about different realities. Barry somehow finds himself in Supergirl's reality, helps her defeat the bad guy and comes back to his own reality. How does that ruin anything?

      did you watch "Supergirl"?

      Kara has already a lot to deal with it and her Season and Story would be as far as the Flashs Story was in his first season who Barry lerns that Wells is the Reverse Flash. Now imagine you are watching a Series with this dramaticaly events are happening and THAN insteat of going on with her own story a new hero from a different Universe (Show) pops up and you have to watch who the Heros of your show DEAL WITH THAT insteat of her own story.

      my point is, that such unnecessary episodes slow down the current Storyline of those shows. Also in "Supergirl" only THREE Heroes exisits Superman, who is more mentioned than seen, Supergirl of cource, and the Martian Manhunter, who is hiding his true identity from the public.

      Give the show time to expand and envolve these characters BEFORE you throw a different Hero from a Different Universe into THIS!

      This can ruin the Supergirl show, because they are only in her first season and are not envolving the Characters enough yet! Such a Crossover can totally confuse the Supergirl viewers who dossent know who the Flash is and this can end in lesser viewers watching Supergirl and the Show got canceled. In the WORST CASE Szenario at least.

      I think a Flash crossover would have more viewers watching, because the Supergirl fans would probably still watch, and lots of Flash fans would watch as well. Slightly worse ratings on a single episode would never lead to an entire show getting canceled. 

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    • @KalvinEllis and @Wally Valdez

      to qoute me from the Supergil Wiki:

      both Characters came from different Universes so they CANT "perfectly meet" without using some sort of time travel or dimension travel that total confuses the audiance why THIS is HAPPENING and HOW!

      Also both hero Shows works in the same way. Light and not dark and gritty, and fighting Supervillains witch Superpowers.

      So explain to me why the Flash has to meet a "Female Flash who can fly" to fight together against a Superpowered Being, that both already do in all her seperate Episodes!

      Also the Supergirl Series is still in his first Season! Give them time to establish her characters and envolve ther storys befor you throw a other Hero from a different universe in for a Crossover!

      Also LOOK at the current Episodes, Tar Pit in the Flash looks realy awefull from his special effekts, the White Martian on Supergirl looks amazing! Do you realy want to blow up lots of the Shows Budget for a "Crossover" Episode who brings the storys of both shows NOT forward instead of using it for awesome effekts for the main villains?

      In the WORST case, that Crossover confuse the Supergirl Viewers, slows down the Main Story drastically and diliver poor and ceaper looking special effects that brings a lot of viewers to stop watching it, the Ratings from 7,5 millions per week sink and CBS cancels Supergirl. Instead of envolving the Supergirl show first and to do such a crossover in Season two or three.

      At least that are my concerns. It is definitivly to SOON for such a Crossover for the Supergirl Show.

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    • MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:
      Wildesheer9876 wrote:
      MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:

      Fearless Diva wrote:




      Enda McNabola wrote:
      In the beginning of the Flash, it was stated that non-impossible things arent real, but if Superman was active before that time, should'nt that be retconned.
      How is Super Man not real????
      in the "Arrow-verse" its canon that BEFOR Arrow shows up no other Heroes or Vigilantes are there and definitivly no BATMAN or SUPERMAN and no one on the Arrow-verse EVER has mentioned Metropolis or Gotham City or anything related to one of the two Superheroes.

      ON Supergirl its Canon that SUPERMAN already exists in Metropolis and he is the ONLY Superhero so far! But now Kara steps up as "Supergirl" in National City to follow his footsteps!

      Both Shows can't be in the Same World without creating heavily Plotholes for eatch other.

      Blackgate which is in Gotham City exists in the Arrowverse therefore Gotham the city exists. I just hope it's not Gotham from Gotham because that show is 100% Crap.

      Plus Joe references his colleague Jimmy in the same sentence as Blackgate. James Gordon. I just hope and pray it is not Gotham. Supergirl won't bug me if it is in an alternate universe. I would hate to have a show exist in this universe that brings Superman as baggage and us never get to actually see Superman team up with the Flash. 


      Mentioning Blackgate dosent mean this confirms Gotham City! Arrow uses a LOT of minor Batman Villains (including the Dollmaker wich is on "Gotham" too ^^) and Ras al Ghul and the League of Assassins already. Also Blüdheaven, the City near Gotham from the Nightwing Comics was mentioned. This means not Gotham City existst! This means in THIS World Blüdheaven is a City near to Starling City or anything else INSTEAD of Gotham City and Blackgate probably is in a other City too. The Prison in Arrow is IRON HEIGHTS not Blackgate.

      Joe meantioned a "Jim" is also at least an Easter Egg for us and not a confirmation of an existing James Gordon! As Cisco create a Flash Signal in Episode 1 from Season two he mentioned he has seen something like that in a COMICBOOK! This was also just an Easter Egg for us Fanboys thats all!

      we still have the wayne tech queen industries conglomerate newspaper easter egg so I would think if Wayne Tech exists so does Gotham, Blackgate, Bruce Wayne, and all that.

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    • MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:
      @KalvinEllis and @Wally Valdez

      to qoute me from the Supergil Wiki:

      both Characters came from different Universes so they CANT "perfectly meet" without using some sort of time travel or dimension travel that total confuses the audiance why THIS is HAPPENING and HOW!

      Also both hero Shows works in the same way. Light and not dark and gritty, and fighting Supervillains witch Superpowers.

      So explain to me why the Flash has to meet a "Female Flash who can fly" to fight together against a Superpowered Being, that both already do in all her seperate Episodes!

      Also the Supergirl Series is still in his first Season! Give them time to establish her characters and envolve ther storys befor you throw a other Hero from a different universe in for a Crossover!

      Also LOOK at the current Episodes, Tar Pit in the Flash looks realy awefull from his special effekts, the White Martian on Supergirl looks amazing! Do you realy want to blow up lots of the Shows Budget for a "Crossover" Episode who brings the storys of both shows NOT forward instead of using it for awesome effekts for the main viLlains?

      In the WORST case, that Crossover confuse the Supergirl Viewers, slows down the Main Story drastically and diliver poor and ceaper looking special effects that brings a lot of viewers to stop watching it, the Ratings from 7,5 millions per week sink and CBS cancels Supergirl. Instead of envolving the Supergirl show first and to do such a crossover in Season two or three.

      At least that are my concerns. It is definitivly to SOON for such a Crossover for the Supergirl Show.

      A crossover with Supergirl would increase ratings for both shows. That's why they do crossovers. I'm sure CW and CBS have thought of all possible problems with doing a crossover, and decided that it would be financially logical to have a crossover between the two shows. And your point about both shows working the same way being a reason not to crossover doesn't make sense. Sure, both shows are light and involve characters with superpowers. A crossover between similar shows makes more sense than a crossover between, say, Supergirl and Gotham. And I don't really think Supergirl's viewers would be confused by Flash's appearance. The show already deals with aliens and the Martian Manhunter, they can just introduce Flash by saying that he is a speedster from another dimension. That explanation isn't so convoluted that it would make the show's audience stop watching. Fans of Supergirl who want a better explanation would watch The Flash, and fans of Flash would watch Supergirl in order to see more of The Flash. 

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    • Wildesheer9876 wrote:
      MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:
      Wildesheer9876 wrote:
      MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:

      Fearless Diva wrote:





      Enda McNabola wrote:
      In the beginning of the Flash, it was stated that non-impossible things arent real, but if Superman was active before that time, should'nt that be retconned.
      How is Super Man not real????
      in the "Arrow-verse" its canon that BEFOR Arrow shows up no other Heroes or Vigilantes are there and definitivly no BATMAN or SUPERMAN and no one on the Arrow-verse EVER has mentioned Metropolis or Gotham City or anything related to one of the two Superheroes.

      ON Supergirl its Canon that SUPERMAN already exists in Metropolis and he is the ONLY Superhero so far! But now Kara steps up as "Supergirl" in National City to follow his footsteps!

      Both Shows can't be in the Same World without creating heavily Plotholes for eatch other.

      Blackgate which is in Gotham City exists in the Arrowverse therefore Gotham the city exists. I just hope it's not Gotham from Gotham because that show is 100% Crap.

      Plus Joe references his colleague Jimmy in the same sentence as Blackgate. James Gordon. I just hope and pray it is not Gotham. Supergirl won't bug me if it is in an alternate universe. I would hate to have a show exist in this universe that brings Superman as baggage and us never get to actually see Superman team up with the Flash. 


      Mentioning Blackgate dosent mean this confirms Gotham City! Arrow uses a LOT of minor Batman Villains (including the Dollmaker wich is on "Gotham" too ^^) and Ras al Ghul and the League of Assassins already. Also Blüdheaven, the City near Gotham from the Nightwing Comics was mentioned. This means not Gotham City existst! This means in THIS World Blüdheaven is a City near to Starling City or anything else INSTEAD of Gotham City and Blackgate probably is in a other City too. The Prison in Arrow is IRON HEIGHTS not Blackgate.

      Joe meantioned a "Jim" is also at least an Easter Egg for us and not a confirmation of an existing James Gordon! As Cisco create a Flash Signal in Episode 1 from Season two he mentioned he has seen something like that in a COMICBOOK! This was also just an Easter Egg for us Fanboys thats all!

      we still have the wayne tech queen industries conglomerate newspaper easter egg so I would think if Wayne Tech exists so does Gotham, Blackgate, Bruce Wayne, and all that.


      Nope that is the different Timeline from there Reverse Flash comes from. and witch was chanced by Reverse Flash as he kills the Real Wells and took his place and was deafeated by Eddie by killing himself.

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    • MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:
      Wildesheer9876 wrote:
      MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:
      Wildesheer9876 wrote:
      MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:

      Fearless Diva wrote:





      Enda McNabola wrote:
      In the beginning of the Flash, it was stated that non-impossible things arent real, but if Superman was active before that time, should'nt that be retconned.
      How is Super Man not real????
      in the "Arrow-verse" its canon that BEFOR Arrow shows up no other Heroes or Vigilantes are there and definitivly no BATMAN or SUPERMAN and no one on the Arrow-verse EVER has mentioned Metropolis or Gotham City or anything related to one of the two Superheroes.

      ON Supergirl its Canon that SUPERMAN already exists in Metropolis and he is the ONLY Superhero so far! But now Kara steps up as "Supergirl" in National City to follow his footsteps!

      Both Shows can't be in the Same World without creating heavily Plotholes for eatch other.

      Blackgate which is in Gotham City exists in the Arrowverse therefore Gotham the city exists. I just hope it's not Gotham from Gotham because that show is 100% Crap.

      Plus Joe references his colleague Jimmy in the same sentence as Blackgate. James Gordon. I just hope and pray it is not Gotham. Supergirl won't bug me if it is in an alternate universe. I would hate to have a show exist in this universe that brings Superman as baggage and us never get to actually see Superman team up with the Flash. 


      Mentioning Blackgate dosent mean this confirms Gotham City! Arrow uses a LOT of minor Batman Villains (including the Dollmaker wich is on "Gotham" too ^^) and Ras al Ghul and the League of Assassins already. Also Blüdheaven, the City near Gotham from the Nightwing Comics was mentioned. This means not Gotham City existst! This means in THIS World Blüdheaven is a City near to Starling City or anything else INSTEAD of Gotham City and Blackgate probably is in a other City too. The Prison in Arrow is IRON HEIGHTS not Blackgate.

      Joe meantioned a "Jim" is also at least an Easter Egg for us and not a confirmation of an existing James Gordon! As Cisco create a Flash Signal in Episode 1 from Season two he mentioned he has seen something like that in a COMICBOOK! This was also just an Easter Egg for us Fanboys thats all!

      we still have the wayne tech queen industries conglomerate newspaper easter egg so I would think if Wayne Tech exists so does Gotham, Blackgate, Bruce Wayne, and all that.

      Nope that is the different Timeline from there Reverse Flash comes from. and witch was chanced by Reverse Flash as he kills the Real Wells and took his place and was deafeated by Eddie by killing himself.

      I doubt that Eddie killing himself would erase Bruce Wayne and Gotham City from the timeline. Gotham City would probably exist in any timeline except for one where it wasn't founded. 

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    • MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:
      Wildesheer9876 wrote:
      MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:
      Wildesheer9876 wrote:
      MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:

      Fearless Diva wrote:





      Enda McNabola wrote:
      In the beginning of the Flash, it was stated that non-impossible things arent real, but if Superman was active before that time, should'nt that be retconned.
      How is Super Man not real????
      in the "Arrow-verse" its canon that BEFOR Arrow shows up no other Heroes or Vigilantes are there and definitivly no BATMAN or SUPERMAN and no one on the Arrow-verse EVER has mentioned Metropolis or Gotham City or anything related to one of the two Superheroes.

      ON Supergirl its Canon that SUPERMAN already exists in Metropolis and he is the ONLY Superhero so far! But now Kara steps up as "Supergirl" in National City to follow his footsteps!

      Both Shows can't be in the Same World without creating heavily Plotholes for eatch other.

      Blackgate which is in Gotham City exists in the Arrowverse therefore Gotham the city exists. I just hope it's not Gotham from Gotham because that show is 100% Crap.

      Plus Joe references his colleague Jimmy in the same sentence as Blackgate. James Gordon. I just hope and pray it is not Gotham. Supergirl won't bug me if it is in an alternate universe. I would hate to have a show exist in this universe that brings Superman as baggage and us never get to actually see Superman team up with the Flash. 


      Mentioning Blackgate dosent mean this confirms Gotham City! Arrow uses a LOT of minor Batman Villains (including the Dollmaker wich is on "Gotham" too ^^) and Ras al Ghul and the League of Assassins already. Also Blüdheaven, the City near Gotham from the Nightwing Comics was mentioned. This means not Gotham City existst! This means in THIS World Blüdheaven is a City near to Starling City or anything else INSTEAD of Gotham City and Blackgate probably is in a other City too. The Prison in Arrow is IRON HEIGHTS not Blackgate.

      Joe meantioned a "Jim" is also at least an Easter Egg for us and not a confirmation of an existing James Gordon! As Cisco create a Flash Signal in Episode 1 from Season two he mentioned he has seen something like that in a COMICBOOK! This was also just an Easter Egg for us Fanboys thats all!

      we still have the wayne tech queen industries conglomerate newspaper easter egg so I would think if Wayne Tech exists so does Gotham, Blackgate, Bruce Wayne, and all that.

      Nope that is the different Timeline from there Reverse Flash comes from. and witch was chanced by Reverse Flash as he kills the Real Wells and took his place and was deafeated by Eddie by killing himself.

      He was deafeated? So was he deaf and was eaten? Was he eaten by someone who was deaf? I'm confused and what does a witch have to do with any of this?

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    • MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:
      @KalvinEllis and @Wally Valdez

      to qoute me from the Supergil Wiki:

      both Characters came from different Universes so they CANT "perfectly meet" without using some sort of time travel or dimension travel that total confuses the audiance why THIS is HAPPENING and HOW!

      Also both hero Shows works in the same way. Light and not dark and gritty, and fighting Supervillains witch Superpowers.

      So explain to me why the Flash has to meet a "Female Flash who can fly" to fight together against a Superpowered Being, that both already do in all her seperate Episodes!

      Also the Supergirl Series is still in his first Season! Give them time to establish her characters and envolve ther storys befor you throw a other Hero from a different universe in for a Crossover!

      Also LOOK at the current Episodes, Tar Pit in the Flash looks realy awefull from his special effekts, the White Martian on Supergirl looks amazing! Do you realy want to blow up lots of the Shows Budget for a "Crossover" Episode who brings the storys of both shows NOT forward instead of using it for awesome effekts for the main villains?

      In the WORST case, that Crossover confuse the Supergirl Viewers, slows down the Main Story drastically and diliver poor and ceaper looking special effects that brings a lot of viewers to stop watching it, the Ratings from 7,5 millions per week sink and CBS cancels Supergirl. Instead of envolving the Supergirl show first and to do such a crossover in Season two or three.

      At least that are my concerns. It is definitivly to SOON for such a Crossover for the Supergirl Show.


      I thought Tar Pit looked fine, and I think your worrying to much and not considering the fact that the executives have probably already figure most of this out already and are prepared to take a chane.

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    • man,i'm late,so what's going on lately?

      heard supergirl and flash were havin a crossover,pretty cool

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    • LucasVerBeek wrote:
      MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:
      @KalvinEllis and @Wally Valdez

      to qoute me from the Supergil Wiki:

      both Characters came from different Universes so they CANT "perfectly meet" without using some sort of time travel or dimension travel that total confuses the audiance why THIS is HAPPENING and HOW!

      Also both hero Shows works in the same way. Light and not dark and gritty, and fighting Supervillains witch Superpowers.

      So explain to me why the Flash has to meet a "Female Flash who can fly" to fight together against a Superpowered Being, that both already do in all her seperate Episodes!

      Also the Supergirl Series is still in his first Season! Give them time to establish her characters and envolve ther storys befor you throw a other Hero from a different universe in for a Crossover!

      Also LOOK at the current Episodes, Tar Pit in the Flash looks realy awefull from his special effekts, the White Martian on Supergirl looks amazing! Do you realy want to blow up lots of the Shows Budget for a "Crossover" Episode who brings the storys of both shows NOT forward instead of using it for awesome effekts for the main villains?

      In the WORST case, that Crossover confuse the Supergirl Viewers, slows down the Main Story drastically and diliver poor and ceaper looking special effects that brings a lot of viewers to stop watching it, the Ratings from 7,5 millions per week sink and CBS cancels Supergirl. Instead of envolving the Supergirl show first and to do such a crossover in Season two or three.

      At least that are my concerns. It is definitivly to SOON for such a Crossover for the Supergirl Show.


      I thought Tar Pit looked fine, and I think your worrying to much and not considering the fact that the executives have probably already figure most of this out already and are prepared to take a chane.

      Chane

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    • Okay, honestly. 

      I have tried so fucking hard to like it and..I just DON'T like Supergirl. I can't enjoy it at all, its just so teenie bopper Love Paralellogram shit. I just can't bring myself to enjoy the show anymore. 

      However, I'm excited for the crossover. 

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    • FINALLY!

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    • Wildesheer9876 wrote:
      MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:
      Wildesheer9876 wrote:
      MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:
      Wildesheer9876 wrote:
      MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:

      Fearless Diva wrote:






      Enda McNabola wrote:
      In the beginning of the Flash, it was stated that non-impossible things arent real, but if Superman was active before that time, should'nt that be retconned.
      How is Super Man not real????
      in the "Arrow-verse" its canon that BEFOR Arrow shows up no other Heroes or Vigilantes are there and definitivly no BATMAN or SUPERMAN and no one on the Arrow-verse EVER has mentioned Metropolis or Gotham City or anything related to one of the two Superheroes.

      ON Supergirl its Canon that SUPERMAN already exists in Metropolis and he is the ONLY Superhero so far! But now Kara steps up as "Supergirl" in National City to follow his footsteps!

      Both Shows can't be in the Same World without creating heavily Plotholes for eatch other.

      Blackgate which is in Gotham City exists in the Arrowverse therefore Gotham the city exists. I just hope it's not Gotham from Gotham because that show is 100% Crap.

      Plus Joe references his colleague Jimmy in the same sentence as Blackgate. James Gordon. I just hope and pray it is not Gotham. Supergirl won't bug me if it is in an alternate universe. I would hate to have a show exist in this universe that brings Superman as baggage and us never get to actually see Superman team up with the Flash. 


      Mentioning Blackgate dosent mean this confirms Gotham City! Arrow uses a LOT of minor Batman Villains (including the Dollmaker wich is on "Gotham" too ^^) and Ras al Ghul and the League of Assassins already. Also Blüdheaven, the City near Gotham from the Nightwing Comics was mentioned. This means not Gotham City existst! This means in THIS World Blüdheaven is a City near to Starling City or anything else INSTEAD of Gotham City and Blackgate probably is in a other City too. The Prison in Arrow is IRON HEIGHTS not Blackgate.

      Joe meantioned a "Jim" is also at least an Easter Egg for us and not a confirmation of an existing James Gordon! As Cisco create a Flash Signal in Episode 1 from Season two he mentioned he has seen something like that in a COMICBOOK! This was also just an Easter Egg for us Fanboys thats all!

      we still have the wayne tech queen industries conglomerate newspaper easter egg so I would think if Wayne Tech exists so does Gotham, Blackgate, Bruce Wayne, and all that.

      Nope that is the different Timeline from there Reverse Flash comes from. and witch was chanced by Reverse Flash as he kills the Real Wells and took his place and was deafeated by Eddie by killing himself.
      I doubt that Eddie killing himself would erase Bruce Wayne and Gotham City from the timeline. Gotham City would probably exist in any timeline except for one where it wasn't founded. 


      read the Comic "Flashpoint" in witch the simply fact, that Barry Allen travels back in Time and rescued his Mother chanced the Timeline so drastically that in the Night Bruce Wayne dies and not his Parents and so Thomas Wayne becomes the Batman (und his Wife Martha becomes the Joker) or Aquaman and Wonder Woman began a War that destroyed entire Europe. Besides many other chances.

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    • @MadHatterJervisTetch

      You're worrying too much, give it a chance. And please, spell check before posting.

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    • Wally Valdez wrote:

      A crossover with Supergirl would increase ratings for both shows.
      for just the one Crossover Episode
      Wally Valdez wrote:That's why they do crossovers.
      The Reason for such Crossovers SHOULD BE to present the viewers a fresh and new Element in those Shows and to have a very SPECIAL Episode. The Thing is when Crossover Episodes are going on everytime, there is somehow nothing SPECIAL about such Episodes in these Series after all.

      The Reason for the pruducers to MAKE these Crossoves so drastically is the yelling of the Fanboy after these Crossovers! These Fanboys are not the complete audience of those shows but a very small part of it. But the Fanboys are the Part of audience who are being noticed in the Internet.

      Look at this wiki! The Flash is watched by 3,5 mio viewers per week! Where are these 3 Mio viewers? Here are less then 100.

      Wally Valdez wrote:I'm sure CW and CBS have thought of all possible problems with doing a crossover, and decided that it would be financially logical to have a crossover between the two shows.

      Or they are asked from the beginnig of "Supergirl" from he fans and journalists constantly if the Supergirl Show is a part of the Arow-vere and will it be give Crossover Episodes with the other shows, so they decide to do so to make a lot of money?!

      And your point about both shows working the same way being a reason not to crossover doesn't make sense. Sure, both shows are light and involve characters with superpowers. A crossover between similar shows makes more sense than a crossover between, say, Supergirl and Gotham.

      please begin to think please!!! In the Comics the "special" about Crossovers is for the Fans to see two total different they are both like coming in one story together. The Story himself is always pretty basic and not very original. thats why no one says "most important Batman Comics to Read: Killing Joke, Long Halloween Batman/Predator".

      For the Crossovers in TV Shows there is simply no drastically NEED to doing something like this UNLESS it was already be planed from the beginning and these Crossover Episodes can give the viewers more to see as "the one Guy from Show A teaming up with the other Guy from Show B for the reason it is for the most Fanboys EXITED to see the two Guys from different Shows teaming up!"

      In the Arrow/Flash Crossovers for example you get the whole Oliver has a Child Thing to see. Thats a Reason for Arrow fans to watch these episodes besides to see Green Arrow and the Flash fight eatch over or take down together a Supervillain. And this is possible because these shows are in the same Universe from the beginning. "Supergirl" isn't so let the Show alone OR planing the Show FROM THE BEGINNING as part of the Arrow-verse!

      Wally Valdez wrote: And I don't really think Supergirl's viewers would be confused by Flash's appearance. The show already deals with aliens and the Martian Manhunter, they can just introduce Flash by saying that he is a speedster from another dimension. That explanation isn't so convoluted that it would make the show's audience stop watching. Fans of Supergirl who want a better explanation would watch The Flash, and fans of Flash would watch Supergirl in order to see more of The Flash. 

      maybe you are right. this is what the producers hope too. But its no guarantee on this it could be happen in the way I am concernd for.

      Look at the Green Lantern Movie, he was sopposed to be the first of many other Green Lantern Movies and that the Fans loving it, now Rayn Renolds as Deadpool makes jokes about it.

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    • MadHatterJervisTetch wrote: Look at this wiki! The Flash is watched by 3,5 mio viewers per week! Where are these 3 Mio viewers? Here are less then 100.

      You do realize editors on a wiki don't even make up 1% of the viewers?

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    • LucasVerBeek wrote:

      MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:
      @KalvinEllis and @Wally Valdez

      to qoute me from the Supergil Wiki:

      both Characters came from different Universes so they CANT "perfectly meet" without using some sort of time travel or dimension travel that total confuses the audiance why THIS is HAPPENING and HOW!

      Also both hero Shows works in the same way. Light and not dark and gritty, and fighting Supervillains witch Superpowers.

      So explain to me why the Flash has to meet a "Female Flash who can fly" to fight together against a Superpowered Being, that both already do in all her seperate Episodes!

      Also the Supergirl Series is still in his first Season! Give them time to establish her characters and envolve ther storys befor you throw a other Hero from a different universe in for a Crossover!

      Also LOOK at the current Episodes, Tar Pit in the Flash looks realy awefull from his special effekts, the White Martian on Supergirl looks amazing! Do you realy want to blow up lots of the Shows Budget for a "Crossover" Episode who brings the storys of both shows NOT forward instead of using it for awesome effekts for the main villains?

      In the WORST case, that Crossover confuse the Supergirl Viewers, slows down the Main Story drastically and diliver poor and ceaper looking special effects that brings a lot of viewers to stop watching it, the Ratings from 7,5 millions per week sink and CBS cancels Supergirl. Instead of envolving the Supergirl show first and to do such a crossover in Season two or three.

      At least that are my concerns. It is definitivly to SOON for such a Crossover for the Supergirl Show.


      I thought Tar Pit looked fine, and I think your worrying to much and not considering the fact that the executives have probably already figure most of this out already and are prepared to take a chane.

      Tar Pit looks like he is from a Mockbustermovie from "The Asylum" or a realy old Videogame from the late 90s. In fact the terrible Trash "Boa vs Python" had better special effects.

      You can realy hard get your friends to being watching the shows with you then they always saying "show looks terrible because the special effects are REALY AWEFULL!" Belive it, i try it every day ^^

      and maybe i am worrying to much. At least one of us have to. ^^

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    • TimeShade wrote:

      MadHatterJervisTetch wrote: Look at this wiki! The Flash is watched by 3,5 mio viewers per week! Where are these 3 Mio viewers? Here are less then 100.

      You do realize editors on a wiki don't even make up 1% of the viewers?


      oh please tell me more, i am pretty much ALONE by editing the german Arrow, The Flash and Supergirl Wikias. ^^

      My point is that the Fanboys are always the smaller Group of the audience but also the group that debates the most about such Movies ind TV Shows.

      And not always it is GOOD! The Green Lantern Movie was a Box Office Flop because of the Fanboys damned the movie just from viewing the Trailer.

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    • MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:

      oh please tell me more, i am pretty much ALONE by editing the german Arrow, The Flash and Supergirl Wikias. ^^

      My point is that the Fanboys are always the smaller Group of the audience but also the group that debates the most about such Movies ind TV Shows.

      And not always it is GOOD! The Green Lantern Movie was a Box Office Flop because of the Fanboys damned the movie just from viewing the Trailer.

      Our peak in viewers was over 2 million views in the span of 7 days. Generally though on average we get over a 100k views per day while shows are airing. Still like you said the group is smaller than the overall viewers but at the same time, a good portion don't know wiki's exist. Some don't need it at the same time because they know the show inside out.

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    • TimeShade wrote:

      MadHatterJervisTetch wrote: Look at this wiki! The Flash is watched by 3,5 mio viewers per week! Where are these 3 Mio viewers? Here are less then 100.

      You do realize editors on a wiki don't even make up 1% of the viewers?


      Or even 0.0001% for the matter... (I'm not trying to be precise here so don't go all mathematical with me) Sometimes I get surprised when I see certain days that seldom had editing activities going on. Most likely only when the show airs people all try to edit around the same time. There's -1 active users here, and not all of them do actual editing. Though I'm not sure why this is relevant to the thread. Is the crossover a must? No. But it's decided, so let's move on. Complaining about how an awful idea this is isn't gonna make it not happening. (And I'm saying this not because I disagree with your opinion, just that the conversation's not getting anywhere.)

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    • MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:
      TimeShade wrote:

      MadHatterJervisTetch wrote: Look at this wiki! The Flash is watched by 3,5 mio viewers per week! Where are these 3 Mio viewers? Here are less then 100.

      You do realize editors on a wiki don't even make up 1% of the viewers?

      oh please tell me more, i am pretty much ALONE by editing the german Arrow, The Flash and Supergirl Wikias. ^^

      My point is that the Fanboys are always the smaller Group of the audience but also the group that debates the most about such Movies ind TV Shows.

      And not always it is GOOD! The Green Lantern Movie was a Box Office Flop because of the Fanboys damned the movie just from viewing the Trailer.

      The Green Lantern movie flopped because it was a bad movie. Nobody liked it, not just the fanboys or the general audience. People don't like to spend their money on terrible movies.

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    • KalvinEllis wrote:
      MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:
      TimeShade wrote:

      MadHatterJervisTetch wrote: Look at this wiki! The Flash is watched by 3,5 mio viewers per week! Where are these 3 Mio viewers? Here are less then 100.

      You do realize editors on a wiki don't even make up 1% of the viewers?

      oh please tell me more, i am pretty much ALONE by editing the german Arrow, The Flash and Supergirl Wikias. ^^

      My point is that the Fanboys are always the smaller Group of the audience but also the group that debates the most about such Movies ind TV Shows.

      And not always it is GOOD! The Green Lantern Movie was a Box Office Flop because of the Fanboys damned the movie just from viewing the Trailer.

      The Green Lantern movie flopped because it was a bad movie. Nobody liked it, not just the fanboys or the general audience. People don't like to spend their money on terrible movies.


      And you are so WRONG AGAIN!!! Look at the reviews at Amazon.com

      http://www.amazon.com/Green-Lantern-Geoffrey-Rush/dp/B005LJITS0/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1454582311&sr=1-1&keywords=green+lantern

      same with the German Reviews by Amazon.de

      the People that are NOT Fanboys loved the Movie. Its obviously because the Green Lantern Movie is a fun special effects Popcorn Move like the Transformers Movies, the Turtles Movie or all of the Marvel Movies like Ant-Man or Avengers.

      The People that are pissed of the Movie and dosen't like him at all are most exclusively the Fanboys or People that read opinions like yours on some Comicbook Pages or hear it in Comicbook Podcasts or youtube Chanels.

      the typical audience of movies like what give a fu.. about how true the Movies are to the source material, they want to be entertained.

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    • If the non-fanboys liked the movie, don't you think it would've actually made more money than it did? The movie was shunned by everyone because it was a bad movie. Bad movies based on lesser known superhero properties don't tend to make money. Guardians of the galaxy was based on a property that nobody knew but it was a great movie that got rave reviews, so it made a lot of money. GL was bad and failed. That's all there is to it. Dude you are ridiculous, time to stop typing for now.

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    • KalvinEllis wrote:
      If the non-fanboys liked the movie, don't you think it would've actually made more money than it did? The movie was shunned by everyone because it was a bad movie. Bad movies based on lesser known superhero properties don't tend to make money. Guardians of the galaxy was based on a property that nobody knew but it was a great movie that got rave reviews, so it made a lot of money. GL was bad and failed. That's all there is to it. Dude you are ridiculous, time to stop typing for now.


      Have you even looked at the amazon Link?

      The Non-Fanboys make dicisions of going in a theater to watch a Movie about the Reviews. They read the Green Lantern Reviews from the Fanboys that labels the Movie "a bad Movie" and dont go in a theater to watch it. Thats why the Green Lantern Movie got floppet!

      Now they views the DVD and realizing that the movie is enjoyable but it is to late to turn the box office higher.

      Guardians of the galaxy was hyped by the comicbookfans (as all the realy shittie Marvel Movies ^^) and they go to watch it in the theaters. Also "Marvel Superhero Movies" became a "Brand" at ther own now, so the random audience is already pleased by the fact that this is a MARVEL Superhero Movie to go in the theaters at all.

      Also YOU call me "ridiculous" for the reason that I proved your opinion is WROMG! And you are not capable to realize that the GL Movie is bad and terrible is only a opinion from YOU, and other People are seeing this different?!

      maybe it is now on YOU to stop typing for EVER! ;-)

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    • I did see the link. Doesn't prove me wrong in any way, shape or form. The comic book fans who are perceived to be the vocal minority had nothing to do with the movie's failure. They don't comprise a fraction of the general movie going audience and that general audience couldn't care less what fanboys say about a movie like that. By your logic The Force Awakens should've flopped because of the fan protests towards John Boyega. Or BvS would fail due to the protesting towards Ben Affleck's casting as Batman. Just stop. Fanboys can't make or break the box office revenue of a 200 million dollar movie. If you can't understand that basic fact, you're useless to talk to. Go back to Bizarro world.

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    • KalvinEllis wrote:
      I did see the link. Doesn't prove me wrong in any way, shape or form.

      you said:

      KalvinEllis wrote:
      The Green Lantern movie flopped because it was a bad movie. Nobody liked it, not just the fanboys or the general audience. People don't like to spend their money on terrible movies.

      and i prove you wrong in any way, shape or form for that speciffic comant you made!

      Now you are squirm by this Topic to desperately "prove" that you are NOT wrong with your early comment at all.

      That is realy pitifully and pathetic!

      Also you drop soft insults on me because i disagree with your opinion! That is even more pitifully and pathetic!

      I am not even fully against your opinion to the Green Lantern Movie at all, i simply say that it give people outthere that actually liked the GL Movie a LOT! And thats true! By ignoring this and constantly repeat your wrong Statements you look more and more like fool to me.


      KalvinEllis wrote:
      The comic book fans who are perceived to be the vocal minority had nothing to do with the movie's failure. They don't comprise a fraction of the general movie going audience and that general audience couldn't care less what fanboys say about a movie like that. By your logic The Force Awakens should've flopped because of the fan protests towards John Boyega. Or BvS would fail due to the protesting towards Ben Affleck's casting as Batman. Just stop. Fanboys can't make or break the box office revenue of a 200 million dollar movie.

      Firstly your examples with the Batman Casting and Star Wars are not very good. The Cast example is similar to the Casting of Heath Ledger as the Joker but after the Trailers everyone was excited for The Dark Knight! And Star Wars is a BIG franchise already, so the critics cant ruin the Box Office.

      But Green Lantern is to the most of the People a Nobody and not a established "Brand" for being an awesome Space Movie like Star Wars. So in THIS SPECIAL CASE, the Fanboys RUINED the Box Office for the Green Lantern Movie (not completly alone, there was also a boycot for 3D Movies at the time but they have a segnificant part to the Box Office failure)

      I DONT say this can happen ALL THE TIME but in the Green Lantern Case it was happening!

      KalvinEllis wrote:
      If you can't understand that basic fact, you're useless to talk to. Go back to Bizarro world.


      please do a favor to all off us and take your own advice!!!!

      We are off topic long enough

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    • MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:
      Wildesheer9876 wrote:
      MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:
      Wildesheer9876 wrote:
      MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:
      Wildesheer9876 wrote:
      MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:

      Fearless Diva wrote:







      Enda McNabola wrote:
      In the beginning of the Flash, it was stated that non-impossible things arent real, but if Superman was active before that time, should'nt that be retconned.
      How is Super Man not real????
      in the "Arrow-verse" its canon that BEFOR Arrow shows up no other Heroes or Vigilantes are there and definitivly no BATMAN or SUPERMAN and no one on the Arrow-verse EVER has mentioned Metropolis or Gotham City or anything related to one of the two Superheroes.

      ON Supergirl its Canon that SUPERMAN already exists in Metropolis and he is the ONLY Superhero so far! But now Kara steps up as "Supergirl" in National City to follow his footsteps!

      Both Shows can't be in the Same World without creating heavily Plotholes for eatch other.

      Blackgate which is in Gotham City exists in the Arrowverse therefore Gotham the city exists. I just hope it's not Gotham from Gotham because that show is 100% Crap.

      Plus Joe references his colleague Jimmy in the same sentence as Blackgate. James Gordon. I just hope and pray it is not Gotham. Supergirl won't bug me if it is in an alternate universe. I would hate to have a show exist in this universe that brings Superman as baggage and us never get to actually see Superman team up with the Flash. 


      Mentioning Blackgate dosent mean this confirms Gotham City! Arrow uses a LOT of minor Batman Villains (including the Dollmaker wich is on "Gotham" too ^^) and Ras al Ghul and the League of Assassins already. Also Blüdheaven, the City near Gotham from the Nightwing Comics was mentioned. This means not Gotham City existst! This means in THIS World Blüdheaven is a City near to Starling City or anything else INSTEAD of Gotham City and Blackgate probably is in a other City too. The Prison in Arrow is IRON HEIGHTS not Blackgate.

      Joe meantioned a "Jim" is also at least an Easter Egg for us and not a confirmation of an existing James Gordon! As Cisco create a Flash Signal in Episode 1 from Season two he mentioned he has seen something like that in a COMICBOOK! This was also just an Easter Egg for us Fanboys thats all!

      we still have the wayne tech queen industries conglomerate newspaper easter egg so I would think if Wayne Tech exists so does Gotham, Blackgate, Bruce Wayne, and all that.

      Nope that is the different Timeline from there Reverse Flash comes from. and witch was chanced by Reverse Flash as he kills the Real Wells and took his place and was deafeated by Eddie by killing himself.
      I doubt that Eddie killing himself would erase Bruce Wayne and Gotham City from the timeline. Gotham City would probably exist in any timeline except for one where it wasn't founded. 

      read the Comic "Flashpoint" in witch the simply fact, that Barry Allen travels back in Time and rescued his Mother chanced the Timeline so drastically that in the Night Bruce Wayne dies and not his Parents and so Thomas Wayne becomes the Batman (und his Wife Martha becomes the Joker) or Aquaman and Wonder Woman began a War that destroyed entire Europe. Besides many other chance



      I've read Flashpoint before I know what you are talking about, but we are talking about the tv show here which doesn't always follow the comic books 100% of the time.

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    • You are right!

      No Movie or TV Show follow the comic books 100% of the time.

      But a Easter Egg to WayneTech in a alternate Future dosen't confirm the existence of Batman or Gotham City for this Universe too.

      Soon we get a look at a near Future who Oliver Queens successor took the Mantle of Green Arrow to protect Star City in "Legends of tomorrow". I bet with you this Conner Hawke Like Character will be heavily influenced by the Batman Beyond Terry MacGuinnes.

      So it remains that the "Batman like Character" in this Universe is still Green Arrow, so no Batman after all. Maybe it exist a "Bruce Wayne" in this Universe but he never became Batman.

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    • MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:
      KalvinEllis wrote:
      I did see the link. Doesn't prove me wrong in any way, shape or form.
      you said:


      KalvinEllis wrote:
      The Green Lantern movie flopped because it was a bad movie. Nobody liked it, not just the fanboys or the general audience. People don't like to spend their money on terrible movies.
      and i prove you wrong in any way, shape or form for that speciffic comant you made!

      Now you are squirm by this Topic to desperately "prove" that you are NOT wrong with your early comment at all.

      That is realy pitifully and pathetic!

      Also you drop soft insults on me because i disagree with your opinion! That is even more pitifully and pathetic!

      I am not even fully against your opinion to the Green Lantern Movie at all, i simply say that it give people outthere that actually liked the GL Movie a LOT! And thats true! By ignoring this and constantly repeat your wrong Statements you look more and more like fool to me.




      KalvinEllis wrote:
      The comic book fans who are perceived to be the vocal minority had nothing to do with the movie's failure. They don't comprise a fraction of the general movie going audience and that general audience couldn't care less what fanboys say about a movie like that. By your logic The Force Awakens should've flopped because of the fan protests towards John Boyega. Or BvS would fail due to the protesting towards Ben Affleck's casting as Batman. Just stop. Fanboys can't make or break the box office revenue of a 200 million dollar movie.
      Firstly your examples with the Batman Casting and Star Wars are not very good. The Cast example is similar to the Casting of Heath Ledger as the Joker but after the Trailers everyone was excited for The Dark Knight! And Star Wars is a BIG franchise already, so the critics cant ruin the Box Office.

      But Green Lantern is to the most of the People a Nobody and not a established "Brand" for being an awesome Space Movie like Star Wars. So in THIS SPECIAL CASE, the Fanboys RUINED the Box Office for the Green Lantern Movie (not completly alone, there was also a boycot for 3D Movies at the time but they have a segnificant part to the Box Office failure)

      I DONT say this can happen ALL THE TIME but in the Green Lantern Case it was happening!




      KalvinEllis wrote:
      If you can't understand that basic fact, you're useless to talk to. Go back to Bizarro world.

      please do a favor to all off us and take your own advice!!!!

      We are off topic long enough


      A fool? Given all the stupid crap you've been spewing throughout this thread, I'd say it takes one to know one then. lol Let me repeat this again in a somewhat simpler way, it's irrelevant if the brand is big or lesser known, comic fanboys can't make or break a movie like that. These movies and their promotion caters to people who don't read comics or don't take the time to argue with each other on wikipedia pages. This type of audience does not care one bit if someone like me said on social media that the movie was crap. The bad word of mouth came from all of the review sites that these people check out(including RT), not just from comic fans who said the movie would suck after they didn't like the debut trailer. The people who were not convinced to go see the movie, saw the reception it got from "professional" critics, and chose not to spend their money on it, while a lot of those that did, came back saying almost nothing good about it. There were many, many people who did that, combine the fact that the movie didn't open in many foreign markets for months and you get the result. Guardians on the other hand was embraced by both the "professional" portion of the critics, as well as the opening weekend movie masses. Even if fanboys had shunned the movie, it wouldn't have made any difference because it was already embraced by the people that "matter", while in the grand scheme of things, fanboys' opinions simply "don't matter". Therefore in the most basic way of saying it, Green Lantern did fail "because it was a bad movie". Now, don't try to talk about what favors I should or should not do to "us", considering you're nobody's mouthpiece here, and go back to doing whatever it is you do with your time. Adios.

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    • KalvinEllis wrote:
      MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:
      KalvinEllis wrote:
      I did see the link. Doesn't prove me wrong in any way, shape or form.
      you said:


      KalvinEllis wrote:
      The Green Lantern movie flopped because it was a bad movie. Nobody liked it, not just the fanboys or the general audience. People don't like to spend their money on terrible movies.
      and i prove you wrong in any way, shape or form for that speciffic comant you made!

      Now you are squirm by this Topic to desperately "prove" that you are NOT wrong with your early comment at all.

      That is realy pitifully and pathetic!

      Also you drop soft insults on me because i disagree with your opinion! That is even more pitifully and pathetic!

      I am not even fully against your opinion to the Green Lantern Movie at all, i simply say that it give people outthere that actually liked the GL Movie a LOT! And thats true! By ignoring this and constantly repeat your wrong Statements you look more and more like fool to me.




      KalvinEllis wrote:
      The comic book fans who are perceived to be the vocal minority had nothing to do with the movie's failure. They don't comprise a fraction of the general movie going audience and that general audience couldn't care less what fanboys say about a movie like that. By your logic The Force Awakens should've flopped because of the fan protests towards John Boyega. Or BvS would fail due to the protesting towards Ben Affleck's casting as Batman. Just stop. Fanboys can't make or break the box office revenue of a 200 million dollar movie.
      Firstly your examples with the Batman Casting and Star Wars are not very good. The Cast example is similar to the Casting of Heath Ledger as the Joker but after the Trailers everyone was excited for The Dark Knight! And Star Wars is a BIG franchise already, so the critics cant ruin the Box Office.

      But Green Lantern is to the most of the People a Nobody and not a established "Brand" for being an awesome Space Movie like Star Wars. So in THIS SPECIAL CASE, the Fanboys RUINED the Box Office for the Green Lantern Movie (not completly alone, there was also a boycot for 3D Movies at the time but they have a segnificant part to the Box Office failure)

      I DONT say this can happen ALL THE TIME but in the Green Lantern Case it was happening!



      KalvinEllis wrote:
      If you can't understand that basic fact, you're useless to talk to. Go back to Bizarro world.

      please do a favor to all off us and take your own advice!!!!

      We are off topic long enough


      A fool? Given all the stupid crap you've been spewing throughout this thread, I'd say it takes one to know one then. lol Let me repeat this again in a somewhat simpler way, it's irrelevant if the brand is big or lesser known, comic fanboys can't make or break a movie like that. These movies and their promotion caters to people who don't read comics or don't take the time to argue with each other on wikipedia pages. This type of audience does not care one bit if someone like me said on social media that the movie was crap. The bad word of mouth came from all of the review sites that these people check out(including RT), not just from comic fans who said the movie would suck after they didn't like the debut trailer. The people who were not convinced to go see the movie, saw the reception it got from "professional" critics, and chose not to spend their money on it, while a lot of those that did, came back saying almost nothing good about it. There were many, many people who did that, combine the fact that the movie didn't open in many foreign markets for months and you get the result. Guardians on the other hand was embraced by both the "professional" portion of the critics, as well as the opening weekend movie masses. Even if fanboys had shunned the movie, it wouldn't have made any difference because it was already embraced by the people that "matter", while in the grand scheme of things, fanboys' opinions simply "don't matter". That's why in the most basic way of saying it, Green Lantern did fail "because it was a bad movie". Now, don't try to talk about what favors I should or should not do to "us", considering you're nobody's mouthpiece here, and go back to doing whatever it is you do with your time. Adios.

      ^Thank you!

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    • MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:

      But a Easter Egg to WayneTech in a alternate Future dosen't confirm the existence of Batman or Gotham City for this Universe too.

      Cept for "Oracle" being "taken".  If it wasnt to be, because the name is from a comic book, than he would've said "Green Arrows taken" too.

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    • KalvinEllis wrote:
      A fool? Given all the stupid crap you've been spewing throughout this thread, I'd say it takes one to know one then. lol

      omg the only stupid crap comes from you!

      What is necessary to bring you to reflect at least one thing i've said about this topic before you just ignore any words i said to flame me?

      KalvinEllis wrote:
      Let me repeat this again in a somewhat simpler way, it's irrelevant if the brand is big or lesser known, comic fanboys can't make or break a movie like that. These movies and their promotion caters to people who don't read comics or don't take the time to argue with each other on wikipedia pages. This type of audience does not care one bit if someone like me said on social media that the movie was crap. The bad word of mouth came from all of the review sites that these people check out(including RT), not just from comic fans who said the movie would suck after they didn't like the debut trailer. The people who were not convinced to go see the movie, saw the reception it got from "professional" critics, and chose not to spend their money on it, while a lot of those that did, came back saying almost nothing good about it. There were many, many people who did that, combine the fact that the movie didn't open in many foreign markets for months and you get the result. Guardians on the other hand was embraced by both the "professional" portion of the critics, as well as the opening weekend movie masses. Even if fanboys had shunned the movie, it wouldn't have made any difference because it was already embraced by the people that "matter", while in the grand scheme of things, fanboys' opinions simply "don't matter".

      you dont got that i mean after all ^^

      its like  a "Shitstorm" about a person who says something that let the internet get angy.

      you underrestimated the power of social networks. The Fanboy Hate for the Green Lantern Trailer (just the Trailer) created an "Anti-Hype" for the Movie that was influencing a lot of the other critics (RT) and brings the studio of that movie to try to redone the special effects.

      a rating of 3,6 from 5 at amazon is not a rating for a movie everybody hates. Also the RT Rating for "Man of Steel" is 55% why he didn't flop?

      i agree with a lot what you said but its a fact that the Fanboy hate for GL is an important part of its box office failure. To deny that is just stupid, why can't you see that?

      KalvinEllis wrote:
      Therefore in the most basic way of saying it, Green Lantern did fail "because it was a bad movie".

      allow me to correct you a last time also in the most basic way of saying it

      "Green Lantern did fail because the most people think it was a bad movie".

      Can we agree on that?

      KalvinEllis wrote:
      Now, don't try to talk about what favors I should or should not do to "us", considering you're nobody's mouthpiece here, and go back to doing whatever it is you do with your time. Adios.

      seriously take your own advices! You are also not the mouthpiece for everyone on the Planet, because you know that a lot of people didn't think the Green Lantern Movie is a bad Movie!

      And can you stopping to qoute the entire postings all the Time?

      Adios? You mean you dont answer to my textings now? hm i dont belive this somehow. ^^

      @LucasVerBeek

      try to understand what i am saying or arguing with me about it! To quote a other person and write something like "ditto" doesen't count for me ;-)

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    • Anyone thought the Flash might make just a cameo appearence? He might just run past in the background or something

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    • Oh, if anyone reads all the replies from top to bottom and got lost in the process, the thread is about the Flash making his way to National City on the March 28th episode of Supergirl, making a confirmed dimensional crossover. Like it or not, no use crying over spilled milk. Of course, anybody is entitled to share how elated or upset they felt about this news, but imo (stressing the it's just my opinion part), don't waste time on trying to convince other people what's "right" or "wrong" to think or feel about certain things; people are just going to agree to disagree, and it is really off-putting that the original topic is now not the only thing being argued upon but apparently the entire way how DC handles their screen adaptations. Kindly move to a different thread for that.

      Back on track... Do we know if it's our Barry (Earth One) making this trip? Or another Barry from different time or Earth accidentally making the dimensional cross? I mean, it'd probably be too complicated and unnecessary... But I would kinda want to know what's up with the "Barry in jail" scene Barry saw when he was running in time last season... Was he only seeing stuff from his Earth (logical expectation), or perhaps seeing some other stuff? Either way... just a month away and we'd find out about the first question when the episode airs. Fingers crossed that they'd make it work! =P

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    • Xxsammmsammmxx wrote: Do we know if it's our Barry (Earth One) making this trip? Or another Barry from different time or Earth accidentally making the dimensional cross?

      That's exactly what I was wondering, because what if we're making a big deal and it's just a different version of the character played by the same actor, hehe. But since they're using "crossover between shows" as a definition, I strongly believe it's our Barry.

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    • Is someone going to make super girl page

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    • Playsonic2 wrote:

      Xxsammmsammmxx wrote: Do we know if it's our Barry (Earth One) making this trip? Or another Barry from different time or Earth accidentally making the dimensional cross?

      That's exactly what I was wondering, because what if we're making a big deal and it's just a different version of the character played by the same actor, hehe. But since they're using "crossover between shows" as a definition, I strongly believe it's our Barry.


      i agree. also i have a feeling that Barry did fall in Love with Kara too ...

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    • MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:

      Wally Valdez wrote:

      A crossover with Supergirl would increase ratings for both shows.
      for just the one Crossover Episode
      Wally Valdez wrote:That's why they do crossovers.
      The Reason for such Crossovers SHOULD BE to present the viewers a fresh and new Element in those Shows and to have a very SPECIAL Episode. The Thing is when Crossover Episodes are going on everytime, there is somehow nothing SPECIAL about such Episodes in these Series after all.

      The Reason for the pruducers to MAKE these Crossoves so drastically is the yelling of the Fanboy after these Crossovers! These Fanboys are not the complete audience of those shows but a very small part of it. But the Fanboys are the Part of audience who are being noticed in the Internet.

      Look at this wiki! The Flash is watched by 3,5 mio viewers per week! Where are these 3 Mio viewers? Here are less then 100.


      Wally Valdez wrote:I'm sure CW and CBS have thought of all possible problems with doing a crossover, and decided that it would be financially logical to have a crossover between the two shows.
      Or they are asked from the beginnig of "Supergirl" from he fans and journalists constantly if the Supergirl Show is a part of the Arow-vere and will it be give Crossover Episodes with the other shows, so they decide to do so to make a lot of money?!
      And your point about both shows working the same way being a reason not to crossover doesn't make sense. Sure, both shows are light and involve characters with superpowers. A crossover between similar shows makes more sense than a crossover between, say, Supergirl and Gotham.

      please begin to think please!!! In the Comics the "special" about Crossovers is for the Fans to see two total different they are both like coming in one story together. The Story himself is always pretty basic and not very original. thats why no one says "most important Batman Comics to Read: Killing Joke, Long Halloween Batman/Predator".

      For the Crossovers in TV Shows there is simply no drastically NEED to doing something like this UNLESS it was already be planed from the beginning and these Crossover Episodes can give the viewers more to see as "the one Guy from Show A teaming up with the other Guy from Show B for the reason it is for the most Fanboys EXITED to see the two Guys from different Shows teaming up!"

      In the Arrow/Flash Crossovers for example you get the whole Oliver has a Child Thing to see. Thats a Reason for Arrow fans to watch these episodes besides to see Green Arrow and the Flash fight eatch over or take down together a Supervillain. And this is possible because these shows are in the same Universe from the beginning. "Supergirl" isn't so let the Show alone OR planing the Show FROM THE BEGINNING as part of the Arrow-verse!


      Wally Valdez wrote: And I don't really think Supergirl's viewers would be confused by Flash's appearance. The show already deals with aliens and the Martian Manhunter, they can just introduce Flash by saying that he is a speedster from another dimension. That explanation isn't so convoluted that it would make the show's audience stop watching. Fans of Supergirl who want a better explanation would watch The Flash, and fans of Flash would watch Supergirl in order to see more of The Flash. 

      maybe you are right. this is what the producers hope too. But its no guarantee on this it could be happen in the way I am concernd for.

      Look at the Green Lantern Movie, he was sopposed to be the first of many other Green Lantern Movies and that the Fans loving it, now Rayn Renolds as Deadpool makes jokes about it.

      They are doing it for money. They don't care if it advances the plot, or somewhat confuses people, or if it is special in any way. They decided that it will probably make more money, and attract more viewers, and I thimk they're right. 

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    • MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:
      KalvinEllis wrote:
      A fool? Given all the stupid crap you've been spewing throughout this thread, I'd say it takes one to know one then. lol
      omg the only stupid crap comes from you!

      What is necessary to bring you to reflect at least one thing i've said about this topic before you just ignore any words i said to flame me?


      KalvinEllis wrote:
      Let me repeat this again in a somewhat simpler way, it's irrelevant if the brand is big or lesser known, comic fanboys can't make or break a movie like that. These movies and their promotion caters to people who don't read comics or don't take the time to argue with each other on wikipedia pages. This type of audience does not care one bit if someone like me said on social media that the movie was crap. The bad word of mouth came from all of the review sites that these people check out(including RT), not just from comic fans who said the movie would suck after they didn't like the debut trailer. The people who were not convinced to go see the movie, saw the reception it got from "professional" critics, and chose not to spend their money on it, while a lot of those that did, came back saying almost nothing good about it. There were many, many people who did that, combine the fact that the movie didn't open in many foreign markets for months and you get the result. Guardians on the other hand was embraced by both the "professional" portion of the critics, as well as the opening weekend movie masses. Even if fanboys had shunned the movie, it wouldn't have made any difference because it was already embraced by the people that "matter", while in the grand scheme of things, fanboys' opinions simply "don't matter".
      you dont got that i mean after all ^^

      its like  a "Shitstorm" about a person who says something that let the internet get angy.

      you underrestimated the power of social networks. The Fanboy Hate for the Green Lantern Trailer (just the Trailer) created an "Anti-Hype" for the Movie that was influencing a lot of the other critics (RT) and brings the studio of that movie to try to redone the special effects.

      a rating of 3,6 from 5 at amazon is not a rating for a movie everybody hates. Also the RT Rating for "Man of Steel" is 55% why he didn't flop?

      i agree with a lot what you said but its a fact that the Fanboy hate for GL is an important part of its box office failure. To deny that is just stupid, why can't you see that?


      KalvinEllis wrote:
      Therefore in the most basic way of saying it, Green Lantern did fail "because it was a bad movie".
      allow me to correct you a last time also in the most basic way of saying it

      "Green Lantern did fail because the most people think it was a bad movie".

      Can we agree on that?


      KalvinEllis wrote:
      Now, don't try to talk about what favors I should or should not do to "us", considering you're nobody's mouthpiece here, and go back to doing whatever it is you do with your time. Adios.

      seriously take your own advices! You are also not the mouthpiece for everyone on the Planet, because you know that a lot of people didn't think the Green Lantern Movie is a bad Movie!

      And can you stopping to qoute the entire postings all the Time?

      Adios? You mean you dont answer to my textings now? hm i dont belive this somehow. ^^

      @LucasVerBeek

      try to understand what i am saying or arguing with me about it! To quote a other person and write something like "ditto" doesen't count for me ;-)

      The fanbase of a movie definitely has some influence towards a movie's success. Not a huge amount of influence, but the fanbase can stir up interest, so they do have a small part in if a movie does well or not. Green Lantern was, in most people's opinion, a bad movie. This is mostly why it failed, but the fanbase's criticism towards it had some influence. 

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    • Wally Valdez wrote:
      They are doing it for money. They don't care if it advances the plot, or somewhat confuses people, or if it is special in any way. They decided that it will probably make more money, and attract more viewers, and I thimk they're right. 


      you are right with all of this. But with that in mind why not let The Flash travel in the "Gotham" Dimension? It IS possible because different Dimensions and Gotham can definitivly use a push like that, because a lot of people hate the show. Good the dark and gritty style of Gotham dont fit with the light and funny style of the Flash but you said it, They are doing it for money. They don't care if it advances the plot, or somewhat confuses people, or if it is special in any way. They decided that it will probably make more money, and attract more viewers.

      btw is here anyone that actual liked "Gotham"? according to videos like that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGRzAAV1yCk "Gotham" is pretty much the Devil. ^^

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    • I think Barry can beat Supergirl.  Superman's IMP, his most powerful strike, was Flash's move first.


      I DO NOT CONDONE MALE TO FEMALE VIOLENCE!!!!

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    • MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:
      you are right with all of this. But with that in mind why not let The Flash travel in the "Gotham" Dimension? It IS possible because different Dimensions and Gotham can definitivly use a push like that, because a lot of people hate the show. Good the dark and gritty style of Gotham dont fit with the light and funny style of the Flash but you said it, They are doing it for money. They don't care if it advances the plot, or somewhat confuses people, or if it is special in any way. They decided that it will probably make more money, and attract more viewers.

      btw is here anyone that actual liked "Gotham"? according to videos like that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGRzAAV1yCk "Gotham" is pretty much the Devil. ^^


      They are doing it because Supergirl is easier to be negotiated than Gotham is, considering the former's TV network has bigger ties to the CW (to my understanding at least) and that the same group of people produced the show. Frankly I was surprised they got Constantine to work first. But yeah, in short, I don't think it they haven't thought about Gotham, just that realistically with all the network restrictions, it's just harder to pull off that's all. (And yes, don't start about the iZombie point again; I agree that that's a waste of opportunity, but that'd be again a different topic)

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    • So where are we in terms of deciding whether Supergirl should be added to the wiki?

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    • Hambergite wrote:
      So where are we in terms of deciding whether Supergirl should be added to the wiki?

      I think we should see how exactly the crossover plays out first. Personally, I don't think this wiki needs Supergirl too. Though judging by Zack Snyder's recent comments every TV or movie version is in a way part of a multiverse, so by his notion I guess we should start covering the cinematic universe, Gotham and Lucifer too. lol

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    • MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:
      Wildesheer9876 wrote:
      MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:

      Fearless Diva wrote:




      Enda McNabola wrote:
      In the beginning of the Flash, it was stated that non-impossible things arent real, but if Superman was active before that time, should'nt that be retconned.
      How is Super Man not real????
      in the "Arrow-verse" its canon that BEFOR Arrow shows up no other Heroes or Vigilantes are there and definitivly no BATMAN or SUPERMAN and no one on the Arrow-verse EVER has mentioned Metropolis or Gotham City or anything related to one of the two Superheroes.

      ON Supergirl its Canon that SUPERMAN already exists in Metropolis and he is the ONLY Superhero so far! But now Kara steps up as "Supergirl" in National City to follow his footsteps!

      Both Shows can't be in the Same World without creating heavily Plotholes for eatch other.

      Blackgate which is in Gotham City exists in the Arrowverse therefore Gotham the city exists. I just hope it's not Gotham from Gotham because that show is 100% Crap.

      Plus Joe references his colleague Jimmy in the same sentence as Blackgate. James Gordon. I just hope and pray it is not Gotham. Supergirl won't bug me if it is in an alternate universe. I would hate to have a show exist in this universe that brings Superman as baggage and us never get to actually see Superman team up with the Flash. 


      Mentioning Blackgate dosent mean this confirms Gotham City! Arrow uses a LOT of minor Batman Villains (including the Dollmaker wich is on "Gotham" too ^^) and Ras al Ghul and the League of Assassins already. Also Blüdheaven, the City near Gotham from the Nightwing Comics was mentioned. This means not Gotham City existst! This means in THIS World Blüdheaven is a City near to Starling City or anything else INSTEAD of Gotham City and Blackgate probably is in a other City too. The Prison in Arrow is IRON HEIGHTS not Blackgate.

      Joe meantioned a "Jim" is also at least an Easter Egg for us and not a confirmation of an existing James Gordon! As Cisco create a Flash Signal in Episode 1 from Season two he mentioned he has seen something like that in a COMICBOOK! This was also just an Easter Egg for us Fanboys thats all!

      I know this is jumping backwards a bit in the conversation, but in the DC comics, comicbooks themselves are often used as a way for different universes to keep up with each other on current events. Batman could definitely exist in the multiverse somewhere.

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    • KalvinEllis wrote:
      Hambergite wrote:
      So where are we in terms of deciding whether Supergirl should be added to the wiki?
      I think we should see how exactly the crossover plays out first. Personally, I don't think this wiki needs Supergirl too. Though judging by Zack Snyder's recent comments every TV or movie version is in a way part of a multiverse, so by his notion I guess we should start covering the cinematic universe, Gotham and Lucifer too. lol


      I agree but before Snyder's recent comments the Multiverse from DCs Comics include the TV Series and different Movies. The Young Justice Animated Series for example was confirmed from thier producers to be on Earth 16 or Earth 17.

      Also, as I understand it, the Crossover airs ONLY on a Episode from "Supergirl", so it plays fully in the World of Supergirl and only Grant Gustin as the Flash appears. If this is true, the question should be "should The Flash be added to the Supergirl wiki?".

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    • MadHatterJervisTetch wrote: I agree but before Snyder's recent comments the Multiverse from DCs Comics include the TV Series and different Movies. The Young Justice Animated Series for example was confirmed from thier producers to be on Earth 16 or Earth 17.

      Also, as I understand it, the Crossover airs ONLY on a Episode from "Supergirl", so it plays fully in the World of Supergirl and only Grant Gustin as the Flash appears. If this is true, the question should be "should The Flash be added to the Supergirl wiki?".

      The way I see it, this wiki shouldn't cover characters unless they are introduced in the Arrowverse. If they decide to pull a Constantine in the future and have Kara show up on The Flash like you said, that would be a different story. Otherwise if it's just Barry showing up on her show, I don't see a reason to add her because of it. And if he somehow stays in contact with her or starts mentioning her down the line, we can just create a single page for Kara, but not bring her entire history here. There's already 5 shows the Arrowverse wiki is covering, bringing in Supergirl too would be an overkill imo.

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    • this is exactly that i mean. Barry leaves the "Arrow-verse" and travels to a different Universe who he meet Supergirl, so Supergirl is NOT a Part of the Arrow-verse and sould not be added here.

      Otherwise the Supergirl Wiki can be add a Page about the Flash.

      KalvinEllis wrote:
      And if he somehow stays in contact with her or starts mentioning her down the line, we can just create a single page for Kara, but not bring her entire history here. There's already 5 shows the Arrowverse wiki is covering, bringing in Supergirl too would be an overkill imo.


      I would have THIS already done so by the appearance of Constantine in Arrow.

      Just create a single page for John Constantine i mean.

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    • Plus the name of the Supergirl episode is Worlds Finest. Notice the lack of apostrophe in Worlds. The comic book of the same name usually puts a apostrophe in World's, but the name of the episode doesn't have it. That pretty much implies multiverse, but the question now is do aliens exist in Earth 1 and Earth 2 as well? Could we possibly see an Earth 1 Kryptonian? Does this mean Jonn Jonnz can team up with the Flash? How will Diggle react to the existence of aliens considering his reactions to metas and magic? Now that we have a Supergirl/Flash crossover can we have some reference to Smallville's universe? Maybe Tom Welling could provide a cameo? I love the idea of the multiverse existing and all these characters from movies and shows existing at the same time, but I just don't see DC and Warner taking advantage of such a brilliant idea that the Marvel Universe (well at least the movies and shows) haven't even gotten to yet.

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    • Of course they won't take advantage of it, they think they would "confuse" us if we have different versions of Superman or Amanda Waller or Hal Jordan, or whoever. As if we can't tell the difference between the separate shows or movies. Whatever, I'm not going to rant on DCs moronic embargos again, just hoping the crossover turns out to be okay.

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    • MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:
      this is exactly that i mean. Barry leaves the "Arrow-verse" and travels to a different Universe who he meet Supergirl, so Supergirl is NOT a Part of the Arrow-verse and 'sould' not be added here.

      Otherwise the Supergirl Wiki can be add a Page about the Flash.


      KalvinEllis wrote:
      And if he somehow stays in contact with her or starts mentioning her down the line, we can just create a single page for Kara, but not bring her entire history here. There's already 5 shows the Arrowverse wiki is covering, bringing in Supergirl too would be an overkill imo.

      I would have THIS already done so by the appearance of Constantine in Arrow.

      Just create a single page for John Constantine i mean.

      But we have characters from Earth-2 on the wiki. Just because they aren't from the Arrowverse doesn't mean we shouldn't add them. 

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    • This is going to happen where Barry goes time traveling again or into another earth

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    • I just wanna see a Batman crossover. It's already been hinted at in legends of tomorrow that baatman AND superman exist in that universe.

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    • Wally Valdez wrote:
      But we have characters from Earth-2 on the wiki. Just because they aren't from the Arrowverse doesn't mean we shouldn't add them. 


      this is exactly the reason we shouldn't add them. Because they are not a Part of the Arrowverse and this is the ARROWVERSE Wiki.

      Otherwise you can add Gotham too. And Smallville, and the Batman Show starring Adam West as Batman, and the 70's Wonder Woman Show, and the crappy Birds of Prey Show and so on and call this Wiki "DC Comics TV Shows Wiki".

      Earth-Two from the Flash IS part of the Arrowverse because in the DC Comics MULTIVERSE exists a OTHER Earth-Two, the one where the Earth Two Comics from the New 52 are set. Also a Earth One exists in wich Grafic Novels "Superman Earth One" and "Batman Earth One" exists.

      for example the Arrowverse is set to be Earth 44 in the entire DC Multiverse and has two earths, Arrowverse Earth One and Arrowverse Earth two.

      The Supergirl Show isnt "Arrowverse Earth three" but DC Comics Multiverse Earth 45 for example.

      Otherwise the Simpsons Wiki and the Family Guy Wiki have also to merge because of thier Crossover. ^^

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    • MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:

      Earth-Two from the Flash IS part of the Arrowverse because in the DC Comics MULTIVERSE exists a OTHER Earth-Two, the one where the Earth Two Comics from the New 52 are set. Also a Earth One exists in wich Grafic Novels "Superman Earth One" and "Batman Earth One" exists.

      for example the Arrowverse is set to be Earth 44 in the entire DC Multiverse and has two earths, Arrowverse Earth One and Arrowverse Earth two.

      The Supergirl Show isnt "Arrowverse Earth three" but DC Comics Multiverse Earth 45 for example.

      What? How did you come up with that?

      What exactly is wrong about merging the Wikis?

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    • MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:
      Wally Valdez wrote:
      But we have characters from Earth-2 on the wiki. Just because they aren't from the Arrowverse doesn't mean we shouldn't add them. 

      this is exactly the reason we shouldn't add them. Because they are not a Part of the Arrowverse and this is the ARROWVERSE Wiki.

      Otherwise you can add Gotham too. And Smallville, and the Batman Show starring Adam West as Batman, and the 70's Wonder Woman Show, and the crappy Birds of Prey Show and so on and call this Wiki "DC Comics TV Shows Wiki".

      Earth-Two from the Flash IS part of the Arrowverse because in the DC Comics MULTIVERSE exists a OTHER Earth-Two, the one where the Earth Two Comics from the New 52 are set. Also a Earth One exists in wich Grafic Novels "Superman Earth One" and "Batman Earth One" exists.

      for example the Arrowverse is set to be Earth 44 in the entire DC Multiverse and has two earths, Arrowverse Earth One and Arrowverse Earth two.

      The Supergirl Show isnt "Arrowverse Earth three" but DC Comics Multiverse Earth 45 for example.

      Otherwise the Simpsons Wiki and the Family Guy Wiki have also to merge because of thier Crossover. ^^

      But what's the difference between Barry travelling through dimensions to Earth-2, and him traveling through dimensions to Earth-Supergirl? If he can reach both worlds, we can assume that Arrowverse Earth-One, Arrowverse Earth-2, and Arrowverse Earth-Supergirl, are all in the same multiverse. There is a comic multiverse, but nothing indicates that CBS Supergirl has her own universe out of the 52 DC universes, so it makes more sense that she is part of the Arrowverse multiverse.

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    • Wally Valdez wrote:
      <But what's the difference between Barry travelling through dimensions to Earth-2, and him traveling through dimensions to Earth-Supergirl? If he can reach both worlds, we can assume that Arrowverse Earth-One, Arrowverse Earth-2, and Arrowverse Earth-Supergirl, are all in the same multiverse. There is a comic multiverse, but nothing indicates that CBS Supergirl has her own universe out of the 52 DC universes, so it makes more sense that she is part of the Arrowverse multiverse.


      the difference is that in the different "Arrowverse Worlds" live pretty much the same People. On Earth One there was a Harrison Wells (a Character that was created only for the TV Series and NOT exist outthere) On Earth Two there is ALSO a Harrison Wells. On both Earths no Superman or Batman, on both Earths a Atom Smasher, a Sand Demon and etc.

      None of those People exists in the "Supergirl Series Verse" so this is NOT set as a part of the Arrow-verse Multiverse but is a other Multiverse at it self.

      Then the Comics refer to "Prime-Earth" ; "Earth Two" etc. they actualy mean "Prime-Universe" : Universe Two" etc. but that they should mean is "Prime-Multiverse" : "Multiverse Two" etc.

      All the different Cartoonshows, TV Shows, Movies, Videogames and the Elseworld Comicbooks are set to be a part of the DC Comics Multiverse. The Comics cross the line between different Multiverses (at last in the Convergence Storyline). In Movies and TV shows this happend with the Flash coming to the Supergirl-Verse for the FIRST TIME! And not everything CAN meet everything a Cartoon Show can't meet Persons from a life action TV show for example, but Persons from a different Cartoon Show.

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    • 65.49.68.172 wrote:

      MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:

      Earth-Two from the Flash IS part of the Arrowverse because in the DC Comics MULTIVERSE exists a OTHER Earth-Two, the one where the Earth Two Comics from the New 52 are set. Also a Earth One exists in wich Grafic Novels "Superman Earth One" and "Batman Earth One" exists.

      for example the Arrowverse is set to be Earth 44 in the entire DC Multiverse and has two earths, Arrowverse Earth One and Arrowverse Earth two.

      The Supergirl Show isnt "Arrowverse Earth three" but DC Comics Multiverse Earth 45 for example.

      What? How did you come up with that?

      science

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse

      and of cource by DC Comics itself

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Multiversity#Guidebook

      http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/The_Multiversity_Guidebook_Vol_1_1

      65.49.68.172 wrote: What exactly is wrong about merging the Wikis?

      And What exactly is wrong about NOT merging the Wikis?

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    • And honestly, after a discussion with the other admins, and SonOfNep we don't really want to add another show to the wiki at the moment, we've for 3 Live-Action and one Animated show currently going, and adding another's going to way to much hassle.

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    • MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:

      65.49.68.172 wrote:


      MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:
      Earth-Two from the Flash IS part of the Arrowverse because in the DC Comics MULTIVERSE exists a OTHER Earth-Two, the one where the Earth Two Comics from the New 52 are set. Also a Earth One exists in wich Grafic Novels "Superman Earth One" and "Batman Earth One" exists.

      for example the Arrowverse is set to be Earth 44 in the entire DC Multiverse and has two earths, Arrowverse Earth One and Arrowverse Earth two.

      The Supergirl Show isnt "Arrowverse Earth three" but DC Comics Multiverse Earth 45 for example.

      What? How did you come up with that?
      science

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse

      and of cource by DC Comics itself

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Multiversity#Guidebook

      http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/The_Multiversity_Guidebook_Vol_1_1


      65.49.68.172 wrote: What exactly is wrong about merging the Wikis?

      And What exactly is wrong about NOT merging the Wikis?

      So far, we've only seen two alternate realities. There is nothing to suggest that every universe needs to have counterparts of the same characters. There are Atlanteans on Earth-Two, but most likely not on Earth-1. Flash has/will come in contact with two other universes: Earth-2 and Supergirl's Earth. Supergirl has just come in contact with Earth-One. As far as we know, they are in the same Multiverse. There is nothing to go against this, and it is more logical for there to be one Multiverse than for there to be two. 

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    • Wally Valdez wrote:
      MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:

      65.49.68.172 wrote:



      MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:
      Earth-Two from the Flash IS part of the Arrowverse because in the DC Comics MULTIVERSE exists a OTHER Earth-Two, the one where the Earth Two Comics from the New 52 are set. Also a Earth One exists in wich Grafic Novels "Superman Earth One" and "Batman Earth One" exists.

      for example the Arrowverse is set to be Earth 44 in the entire DC Multiverse and has two earths, Arrowverse Earth One and Arrowverse Earth two.

      The Supergirl Show isnt "Arrowverse Earth three" but DC Comics Multiverse Earth 45 for example.

      What? How did you come up with that?
      science

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse

      and of cource by DC Comics itself

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Multiversity#Guidebook

      http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/The_Multiversity_Guidebook_Vol_1_1



      65.49.68.172 wrote: What exactly is wrong about merging the Wikis?

      And What exactly is wrong about NOT merging the Wikis?
      So far, we've only seen two alternate realities. There is nothing to suggest that every universe needs to have counterparts of the same characters. There are Atlanteans on Earth-Two, but most likely not on Earth-1. Flash has/will come in contact with two other universes: Earth-2 and Supergirl's Earth. Supergirl has just come in contact with Earth-One. As far as we know, they are in the same Multiverse. There is nothing to go against this, and it is more logical for there to be one Multiverse than for there to be two. 


      i see your point and thats the way it worked in the Comics.

      But the TV Shows and Movies are stil not offically a part of the DC Comics Multiverse that exists in the DC Comics!

      You must be seeing it from the point of the Producers of those Shows. And that means the Supergirl Show plays in a different Universe, Gotham Plays in a different Universe ect. Between these Shows are NO connections to eatch other.

      In The Flash TV Show, that is part of the same Universe from "Arrow" from the Beginning, the Showmakers created a "Multiverse" for the Reason that Jay Garric a Flash from a different Earth is a main part of the Flash Comic History. In the Comics it would be working now like you said. But we are not in the Comics. The Earth 2 from The Flash was created for the The Flash Show and thats why this is a Part of the Arrow UNIverse besides the fact that is a parallel earth. Because they HAVE connections to eath other.

      Supergirl was created as a stand alone UNIverse with no connection to other DC Comics TV Shows so this is completly outside the Arrowverse and not a Part of it.

      This is similar to the DC Comics Crossovers with for Example Star Trek, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, He-Man, Aliens and Predator or even some Marvel Comics Superheros. All the other Characters from outside the DC Comics are NOT a Part of the DC Comics Multiverse so thier Crossovers work in a different way as the Crossovers between the DC Comics Multiverse then Barry Allen visits Jay Garric from Earth Two for example.

      The Justice League/ Masters of the Universe Comic Crossover makes the Universe of the Masters of the Universe not to a Part of the DC Comics Multiverse. They are two completely different Universes (or Multiverses) and so are the Arrowverse (with thier Earth Two) and the Supergirlverse.

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    • MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:
      Wally Valdez wrote:
      MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:

      65.49.68.172 wrote:



      MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:
      Earth-Two from the Flash IS part of the Arrowverse because in the DC Comics MULTIVERSE exists a OTHER Earth-Two, the one where the Earth Two Comics from the New 52 are set. Also a Earth One exists in wich Grafic Novels "Superman Earth One" and "Batman Earth One" exists.

      for example the Arrowverse is set to be Earth 44 in the entire DC Multiverse and has two earths, Arrowverse Earth One and Arrowverse Earth two.

      The Supergirl Show isnt "Arrowverse Earth three" but DC Comics Multiverse Earth 45 for example.

      What? How did you come up with that?
      science

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse

      and of cource by DC Comics itself

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Multiversity#Guidebook

      http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/The_Multiversity_Guidebook_Vol_1_1



      65.49.68.172 wrote: What exactly is wrong about merging the Wikis?

      And What exactly is wrong about NOT merging the Wikis?
      So far, we've only seen two alternate realities. There is nothing to suggest that every universe needs to have counterparts of the same characters. There are Atlanteans on Earth-Two, but most likely not on Earth-1. Flash has/will come in contact with two other universes: Earth-2 and Supergirl's Earth. Supergirl has just come in contact with Earth-One. As far as we know, they are in the same Multiverse. There is nothing to go against this, and it is more logical for there to be one Multiverse than for there to be two. 

      i see your point and thats the way it worked in the Comics.

      But the TV Shows and Movies are stil not offically a part of the DC Comics Multiverse that exists in the DC Comics!

      You must be seeing it from the point of the Producers of those Shows. And that means the Supergirl Show plays in a different Universe, Gotham Plays in a different Universe ect. Between these Shows are NO connections to eatch other.

      In The Flash TV Show, that is part of the same Universe from "Arrow" from the Beginning, the Showmakers created a "Multiverse" for the Reason that Jay Garric a Flash from a different Earth is a main part of the Flash Comic History. In the Comics it would be working now like you said. But we are not in the Comics. The Earth 2 from The Flash was created for the The Flash Show and thats why this is a Part of the Arrow UNIverse besides the fact that is a parallel earth. Because they HAVE connections to eath other.

      Supergirl was created as a stand alone UNIverse with no connection to other DC Comics TV Shows so this is completly outside the Arrowverse and not a Part of it.

      This is similar to the DC Comics Crossovers with for Example Star Trek, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, He-Man, Aliens and Predator or even some Marvel Comics Superheros. All the other Characters from outside the DC Comics are NOT a Part of the DC Comics Multiverse so thier Crossovers work in a different way as the Crossovers between the DC Comics Multiverse then Barry Allen visits Jay Garric from Earth Two for example.

      The Justice League/ Masters of the Universe Comic Crossover makes the Universe of the Masters of the Universe not to a Part of the DC Comics Multiverse. They are two completely different Universes (or Multiverses) and so are the Arrowverse (with thier Earth Two) and the Supergirlverse.

      There is a big difference between a Flash/Supergirl crossover and a Justice League/Masters of The Universe crossover. Flash and Supergirl are both DC characters, and it makes sense for them to be in the same, television multiverse. Nothing in any show has mentioned the possibility of there being multiple multiverses. Personally, I think the Arrowverse is more of an example of the Many-Worlds theory, as in there are infinite universes in the multiverse, including the Arrowverse, Supergirl, even hypothetically things like Gotham. I know this goes against DC Comic's current "52 worlds" multiverse, but the comics and the show are separate universes. Also, the two shows aren't as separate as you might think. Greg Berlanti and Andrew Kreisberg worked on Flash, Arrow, and Supergirl. And things like Opal City and Superman were referenced on both shows. 

      Realy, though, arguing will get us nowhere. We should wait until the episode actually comes out, and based on the circumstance of Barry going to Earth-Supergirl, we will probably be able to figure out if it is the same Multiverse or not. 

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    • Wally Valdez wrote:
      There is a big difference between a Flash/Supergirl crossover and a Justice League/Masters of The Universe crossover. Flash and Supergirl are both DC characters, and it makes sense for them to be in the same, television multiverse.


      it does not matter that both shows are based on some Comics from DC Comics! The different Uni- and Multiverses are created around a company. in case of the comic world the company is "DC Comics" so every part of thier property can be a part of thier Multiverse. And everything outside from thier property belongs simply to a different Uni-or Multiverse even if it comes to Crossovers between the characters of those Worlds.

      For the Television Series the company that created isn't "Dc Comics" but the Television NETWORK. In the Case of "Arrow" the Multiverse is the "The CW Multiverse" and all thier different TV Shows are Paralleluniverses to eatch over. Some can be based on Characters from DC Comics but the Show per se is NOT the property of "DC Comcs" but the property of "The CW"!

      The Show "Supergirl" is the property of the CBS Network and belongs totally to them and thier "CBS Multiverse" and not to the "The CW Multiverse" like the Batman/Spawn Comic Crossover Batman belongs to DC Comics, Spawn belongs to Image Comics. Besides the Crossover of the two Characters they belongs to completly different Universes (or Multiverses) owned by completly different companys

      Like it is in the Movie World, the X-men Movies are made by a completly different company and THAT is the Reason that this movies are NOT a Part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe although they are also BASED on Characters from the Marvel Comics!

      Wally Valdez wrote:
      N Also, the two shows aren't as separate as you might think. Greg Berlanti and Andrew Kreisberg worked on Flash, Arrow, and Supergirl. And things like Opal City and Superman were referenced on both shows. 


      Jeph Loeb and Tim Sale made the DC Comic "Batman the Long halloween" and also a Dare Devil Comic! This didn't mean Batman and Dare Devil are connected to eatch other now, this means Jeph Loeb and Tim Sale are working for different companys. Greg Berlanti and Andrew Kreisberg etc. worked for different companys too, thats all! ;-)

      And of course both different Shows can reference the same things from DC Comics because both Shows are BASED on Characters from DC Comics! For Example the Supergirl Show can still use the Character "Brother Eye" as he exists in the Comics as a Killer satellite. In The Show "Arrow" he is a humen Person.

      Btw that is exactly the Reason for the "stupid" Embargos. A Character used by a different Movie or Show shows up in another Movie or Show and people like you thing " ah this confirms the Universes are the same". ^^

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    • MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:
      Wally Valdez wrote:
      There is a big difference between a Flash/Supergirl crossover and a Justice League/Masters of The Universe crossover. Flash and Supergirl are both DC characters, and it makes sense for them to be in the same, television multiverse.

      it does not matter that both shows are based on some Comics from DC Comics! The different Uni- and Multiverses are created around a company. in case of the comic world the company is "DC Comics" so every part of thier property can be a part of thier Multiverse. And everything outside from thier property belongs simply to a different Uni-or Multiverse even if it comes to Crossovers between the characters of those Worlds.

      For the Television Series the company that created isn't "Dc Comics" but the Television NETWORK. In the Case of "Arrow" the Multiverse is the "The CW Multiverse" and all thier different TV Shows are Paralleluniverses to eatch over. Some can be based on Characters from DC Comics but the Show per se is NOT the property of "DC Comcs" but the property of "The CW"!

      The Show "Supergirl" is the property of the CBS Network and belongs totally to them and thier "CBS Multiverse" and not to the "The CW Multiverse" like the Batman/Spawn Comic Crossover Batman belongs to DC Comics, Spawn belongs to Image Comics. Besides the Crossover of the two Characters they belongs to completly different Universes (or Multiverses) owned by completly different companys

      Like it is in the Movie World, the X-men Movies are made by a completly different company and THAT is the Reason that this movies are NOT a Part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe although they are also BASED on Characters from the Marvel Comics!


      Wally Valdez wrote:
      N Also, the two shows aren't as separate as you might think. Greg Berlanti and Andrew Kreisberg worked on Flash, Arrow, and Supergirl. And things like Opal City and Superman were referenced on both shows. 

      Jeph Loeb and Tim Sale made the DC Comic "Batman the Long halloween" and also a Dare Devil Comic! This didn't mean Batman and Dare Devil are connected to eatch other now, this means Jeph Loeb and Tim Sale are working for different companys. Greg Berlanti and Andrew Kreisberg etc. worked for different companys too, thats all! ;-)

      And of course both different Shows can reference the same things from DC Comics because both Shows are BASED on Characters from DC Comics! For Example the Supergirl Show can still use the Character "Brother Eye" as he exists in the Comics as a Killer satellite. In The Show "Arrow" he is a humen Person.

      Btw that is exactly the Reason for the "stupid" Embargos. A Character used by a different Movie or Show shows up in another Movie or Show and people like you thing " ah this confirms the Universes are the same". ^^

      My point was merely that it is quite possible for Flash and Supergirl to be in the same Multiverse, as they do have different versions of the same characters and concepts, and unlike Justice League/Masters Of The Universe or Batman/TMNT, they are both DC superheroes, not completely different characters. And I'm not saying that the universes are the same at all, I'm saying that they are in the same Multiverse, just like Earth-2. 

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    • The main issue I see here, is that some of you only consider the plot and not the shows from a production viewpoint - what the producers mean to be part of a same universe or not.

      DC TV Multiverse
      Arrowverse Supergirl
      Earth-1 Earth-2 Supergirl's Earth
      Can characters from an Arrowverse Earth travel to Supergirl Earth?

      Yes, because they exist within the same multiverse.

      Does that mean that the universes where they go, are part of the Arrowverse?

      No, unless the producers specifically confirm it on an article or on the shows.


      One could argue that the wiki could well be about the whole multiverse, but (as of now) the producers have intended to keep them separate, and there is no problem at all in not covering the whole multiverse, just look at the table. Considering all articles that we have about the subject, we are not going to get as many in-universe connections with Supergirl as we do between the Arrowverse shows unless things change heavily in the future.

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    • Playsonic2 wrote:
      DC TV Multiverse
      Arrowverse Supergirl
      Earth-1 Earth-2 Supergirl's Earth
      Can characters from an Arrowverse Earth travel to Supergirl Earth?


      I would go even further.

      Can the different Characters meet each other anytime or not. Any Character from "Arrow" can easily get to Central City to meet the Flash or other People from that show and vice versa.

      The Answer to the Question : ;Can characters from an Arrowverse Earth travel to Supergirl Earth? is:

      Nope, JUST Barry Allen! Barry can, somehow, travel between dimensions and can meet the Characters from "Supergirl". Otherwise the Characters from "Supergirl" CAN'T travel to the Universe with Green Arrow and the Flash. So there is absolutly no need at all to even THING about a merge here. No one from the Supergirl Universe will even appear on one of the Arrowverse Shows at all (at least for now)

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    • Wally Valdez wrote: My point was merely that it is quite possible for Flash and Supergirl to be in the same Multiverse, as they do have different versions of the same characters and concepts, and unlike Justice League/Masters Of The Universe or Batman/TMNT, they are both DC superheroes, not completely different characters. And I'm not saying that the universes are the same at all, I'm saying that they are in the same Multiverse, just like Earth-2. 

      And my point is that you are wrong about it.

      The different Earths on the Flash aren't different Universes between a Multiverse. They are different TIMELINES from ONE Universe! Thats why every Person on Earth One has a Doppelgänger on Earth Two. Thats why the Breaches are created by chancing the Timeline with Eddies Death, thats why CISCO can VIBE into Events on Earth Two (Jesse held captive by Zoom) like he did with his murder by the Reverse Flash (another seperate Timeline) Get it now?

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    • MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:The different Earths on the Flash aren't different Universes between a Multiverse. They are different TIMELINES from ONE Universe!

      I'm not really sure that's the case. Look at the Reverse-Flash for example, when he went back in time to try to kill Barry as a kid, that wasn't some different Eobard Thawne from a parallel timeline, it was him from the same timeline's future. When he ended up killing Nora instead and stranded himself in the past, that subsequently changed the events of the timeline, but it was still the same timeline. While the Earth-2 events are completely separate from anything that has happened or might happen on Earth-1. If someone decides to change the timeline on E-2, these changes won't affect E-1 or any other. So they are not really different timelines of the same universe, they are separate universes with their own timelines.

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    • KalvinEllis wrote:
      MadHatterJervisTetch wrote:The different Earths on the Flash aren't different Universes between a Multiverse. They are different TIMELINES from ONE Universe!
      I'm not really sure that's the case. Look at the Reverse-Flash for example, when he went back in time to try to kill Barry as a kid, that wasn't some different Eobard Thawne from a parallel timeline, it was him from the same timeline's future. When he ended up killing Nora instead and stranded himself in the past, that subsequently changed the events of the timeline, but it was still the same timeline. While the Earth-2 events are completely separate from anything that has happened or might happen on Earth-1. If someone decides to change the timeline on E-2, these changes won't affect E-1 or any other. So they are not really different timelines of the same universe, they are separate universes with their own timelines.


      Cisco Ramon and Eobard Wells didin't mention the "Back to the Future" Trilogy for nothing!

      In these Movies Time Travel is explained that way. Then you travel Back in time and chance events, you create with THAT a different Timeline. You now Can'T travel back to the timeline from there you are because things have chanced. But the Original Timeline from there you traveled back in time isn't vanished, they STILL exist (because YOU STILL Exists) as a PARALLEL UNIVERSE to the NEW Universe that you created.

      Thats basically the whole thing with a "Multiverse" by the scientific point of view in generall.

      The Different Multiverses can be only little different to very big different.

      This is the thing in the Flashpoint Comic Storyline, Barry has in the past chanced ONE Thing and the whole Universe is completly different.

      View the Movie "The Butterfly Effekt" the same shit happend there, the Protagonist changed one thing and this has effects to all of his friends too.

      Look at the Season One Finale from the Flash, then Barry travels in the Past to save his Mother he LOOKED to different TIMELINES from HIS World (The Flash Museum, Killer Frost, Barry in the Jail instead of Henry)

      Everytime then the Reverse Flash or Barry (or Rip Hunter and his Legends Team or everyone else) traveled back in time and changed a thing, a new Timeline and a new Parallel Universe is be created. In one of them Jay ends up to become the Flash instead of Barry Allen and Linda Park becomes Dr. Light. In one of them the Reverse Flash has killed Cisco Ramon and Central City was be destroyed by the Weather Wizard ect.

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