- "In the beginning, there was only one. A single black infinitude. Then the infinitude found release, and, finally, the darkness broke, filling it with life. With the multiverse. Every existence multiplied by possibility. And spread out before space and time in infinite measure. Civilizations rose and fell. And rose again across reality's grasping expanse. Life. A precious gift persevering in the face of every obstacle, until, finally, the age of heroes was born."
- —The Monitor[src]
Greetings all! I am J Fan, also known as CJSFan. While I've been to many Wikis, I am mainly known at POTC Wiki.
I officially joined Wikia as "CJSFan" on April 4, 2010 and have had fun ever since! My main domain Wiki-wise is POTC Wiki(yea, I'm a huge Pirates nerd lol), while I briefly contribute to other Wikis, like add images, make any suggestions, etc. I've been a Wiki user since 2010, and have been making as many great contributions at Wiki ever since...particularly of course: POTC Wiki!
On March 2012, I decided to change my username to "J Fan" as I had a revelation of being both a POTC and Batman nerd...and loving the two big characters that start with "J"(Jack Sparrow for POTC, Joker for Batman lol). I have made a few contributions to DC-related wikis(DC Animated, Batman and here at Arrowverse Wiki), so I think that'll help me very much. And to answer this question "what are we going to call you now?": you can call me whichever of these names you like(J Fan is now my official Wiki name; but as I said LOTS of people know me as "CJSFan").
As far as Wiki-editing, I'm technically semi-retired, so I don't edit as much, and yet I still do. It's strange.
Regarding my history on watching the Arrow/Flash/Supergirl/Legends-verse, totally different story!
Unlike most, I have not watched many TV shows in the 2012-2013 season. But around Thanksgiving 2013, I was introduced to Arrow Season 1 and ended up binge-watching all 23 episodes (in one day!) thanks to my handy-dandy Netflix account. Sadly, I was not caught up on Season 2 (which was on at the time) so I was only able to catch up on a few episodes before the 2014 latter-half of the season. Don't ask me which episodes I've seen, as I can't remember clearly...it's a (pardon the pun) red blur! Thankfully, I was able to watch the rest of the season with ease, and said Arrow was my favorite show based on 2 great seasons. And thanks to two special Grant Gustin-guest star episodes, I knew they were making a series based on the Flash, as well as a brilliantly sneak peek called "Don't Blink", I was instantly hooked on this soon-to-be shared universe.
When I first followed The Flash series, I thought, "There is no way I'm going to like this better than Arrow. No way!" At the time, not being a comic-fanatic, I knew Flash only as a guy who runs fast. But then I started watching it and thought Flash is pretty good but Arrow is going to be way better. Long story short, Arrow Season 3 was not my perfect cup of tea and ended up a disappointment, and despite all odds The Flash did things I never thought possible and became hands-down my favorite Arrowverse show. Maybe even one of the best shows ever, certainly it's my favorite superhero show currently on air. It had everything I wanted to watch. Good stories and great humor combined with comic-booky awesomeness...or perhaps it has something to do with the Star Wars icon himself Mark Hamill reprising his role as the Trickster.
That day forward, I'm proud to become a fan. Watched the new seasons of Arrow S4 (wasn't perfect, better than S3) and Flash S2 (good, but still love S1), and watched Legends of Tomorrow as it starred a motley crew of the DC Arrowverse. Sadly, I didn't watch Supergirl until much later (last minute until Season 2) simply because it was constantly denied that the show was part of the Arrowverse...this last year says different with the "Heroes v Aliens" crossover with Dominators. I'm glad to say I'm watching these four shows, mostly because they in part helped me become an avid comics fan that I'm happy to say I now am. And being a fan of this universe, I certainly hope I get to watch these characters for as long as (meta-)humanly possible.
In the beginning, there was only one. A single black infinitude... It hasn't been 8 years into the Arrowverse and they decide to do Crisis on Infinite Earths? Wow. Just "Wow." As of my writing this, Crisis has ended (with repercussions still to be revealed) and two weeks have passed since Arrow aired their series finale episode on my TV screen. Well, where to begin? I'm both happy and sad with how it all came out, but it is what it is. Sad of course because Arrow is over after 8 seasons, but happy that it ended big, as instead of one special episode, it was a whole season (including Crisis) that served as both an end and a new beginning. Having said that, I do have some thoughts, no offense to the Arrow team. But then what final season doesn't, so I'll just leave it at that.
Regarding the Crisis on Infinite Earths itself, what can I say that hadn't been said someplace else? Some love it, some were disappointed, and some might even hate it. Personally, I'm pretty sure it's not the worst crossover, certainly the most ambitious bar none—I mean, if you've seen how much they got away with, and what they could've done had the stars align or if they had more money to pay for the goodness. Was I disappointed by certain things? Absolutely! Kevin Conroy finally appears as Bruce Wayne physically onscreen after 27 years of just voicing Batman, then turns out to be known "Evil Batman" and dies!...Spoiler alert. Not to mention there was no appearance by Mark Hamill in any way, even after all the speculation after Conroy was announced. But unlike other DC properties I had expectations of (*coughs* Batman v Superman) I knew what I was getting into and the plot twists mostly worked with the story the Arrowverse told. That said, I hope the Arrowverse makes the right decisions in the future, should either Conroy or Hamill be able to make it on set. Whew! And that was just one cameo over years of 1960s and 1989 Batman, Supermen played by Brandon Routh and Smallville star Tom Welling...oh yeah and Ezra Miller bringing the DCEU into the fold! Not gonna lie, I had speculated since 2015(?) Before Batman v Superman left me with dread for the DCEU and my hopes were dashed. Boy, how quickly did I forget? Like with a certain Flash character, I underestimated the Arrowverse team once again. Although I did see Earth-90 Flash's nostalgic role (dare I say a homage?) coming a mile away. But the Shadow demons though, and Lucifer Morningstar. Did I mention the score, musical easter eggs aside...although I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy hearing Danny Elfman's Batman or John Williams' Superman, which are arguably more iconic than Hans Zimmer's themes (and I love Zimmer's work!). And ending things with Super Friends was a pleasant surprise (I literally yelled "Gleek?!"), risky but brilliant in my book. Bottom line, blabbering aside, I did love it. But is is the best crossover? Hmmm...I don't know because Crisis on Earth-X was pretty good and a little more linear. Unless something happens in the near future or if I simply missed something, more than likely it'll remain a tie. Boy, this review is more hard to follow than the Crisis itself!
In the end, there was only one. A single black infinitude...So what happens now? Well, with the Arrowverse having "an end" with their new beginning, I'm contemplating my future as a viewer. Of course a part of me obviously wants to keep watching, but here's my issue: Arrow and Flash started it all, and they did it while honoring the comics that they're based on. I enjoyed Supergirl and Legends of Tomorrow at first, but they haven't been the same since both shows each had their season 2 (separately) on the air. Either the stories play out ridiculous, or they are political...which is normal, but you can only bash on Donald Trump or bring up "anti-gun" stories so many times to a point where it's annoying. I'm not taking sides as far as political parties, I'm a guy (excuse me, "person") who's mostly neutral, but these shows are clearly not. I want to continue enjoy these shows but because of their agendas, I'm almost to the point where I'm considering cutting those 2 shows off my watchlist. 5+ seasons later, Arrow and Flash have been neutral and fully satisfied my needs to get away from the real world. Not really bringing up Batwoman as she's on her first season, but right now I'm liking it more than the other shows. I know, I'm one viewer out of millions, give or take. Just had to say how I feel, out of nostalgia. And if I'm the only one thinking it, then so be it. All that said, I'm giving the new Arrowverse until next season to change my mind, hoping all shows get on the same page and focus solely about the DC universe we know and love.
Top favorite Arrowverse bits
Like most, I could name my favorite characters that appear variously in the whole Arrowverse. However, it's tricky because for me, there...are...so...many! But if I were to pick a few, I'll list them somewhere below.
Various Multiverse characters
Old Multiverse locations
Other Arrowverse bits
From the complete series, seasons 1-8, my favorite Arrow characters.
From seasons 1-6, my favorite The Flash characters.
Legends of Tomorrow
From seasons 1-5, my favorite Legends characters.
Characters I dislike/hate (depending)
Now before I get hate mail, this is mostly a disliked list, and of course this is my opinion. From most disliked (or hated) to least disliked:
- Mona Wu
- William Dey
- Nia Nal/Dreamer
- Ava Sharpe
- President of the United States (Earth-Prime)
- Ninth Circle
- James Olsen/"Guardian"
- Ricardo Diaz
- Carter Hall/Hawkman
- Leslie Jocoy/Amunet Black
My favorite episodes
Might as well ask me what are my LEAST favorites. So I'll just list seasons as a whole.
My favorite Arrowverse series
Might as well ask me what are my LEAST favorites. It's been brought up more than a few times, whether it was what to rewatch, or Arrowverse ranking, etc. But like art, it is subjective. Just because I like one (show, episode, etc.) over another doesn't mean you can't enjoy your favorites either. Of course, it could also just be my unpopular opinion.
From my most favorite to least favorite shows, if I were to rank all the shows from 2012 onward, here's how I would do it. For the record, if I made a list, Legends and Supergirl are tied for last because I don't know which feels worse for me to watch.
One more thing to note, I left detailed reviews of each season of the current Arrowverse series below. And to avoid spoilers (for the uninitiated) and at least not make it seem too long a read, I wrote it as collapsible content, so if you want to read simply click [Expand] and proceed to read. If for some reason you're curious about my opinion on an episode, please just ask me. Otherwise I probably covered it here. Anywho, read on, true believers!
Arrow, the original show. Green Arrow, the original Arrowverse vigilante. And Oliver Queen, a legend that will never die. What more can I say? A lot, apparently. Despite some issues, I've enjoyed Arrow more than I can say. Very binge-worthy. But if you want a feel on the series as a whole, rewatch all just to appreciate season 8 for the fulfilling season that it is, nods and all. Actually ordered The Complete Series set, that's how much I love it...of course I think I will get sets for all series, when they inevitably end. My only complaint is we didn't get any legacy casting, like not even a cameo from Smallville's Justin Hartley and Alaina Huffman, DCAU's Kin Shriner and Morena Baccarin, or even Birds of Prey's Rachel Skarsten. I'm sure diehard DC fans would love to recognize those Arrow and Canary actors and actresses. But honestly, it's a nitpick at best. And now, without further ado, my list for favorite Arrow seasons.
- Season 2 - As great as season 1 was, it was the payoff in the Oliver and Slade/Deathstroke storyline that made me (and I'm sure more fans) fall for this soon-to-be Arrowverse in the first place. This was the last season where flashbacks were intertwined and tied perfectly together with present day events, even in the season finale 2×23 "Unthinkable". And of course this was the first season to introduce Caity Lotz as Sara Lance as well as the future Team Flash: Barry Allen, Cisco Ramon, and Caitlin Snow. We even get teased with Barry struck by lightning and I still remember The Flash "Don't Blink" teaser that played during the finale's commercials. That mixed with the climactic conclusion with Deathstroke made this a pleasant watch. Oh, and did I mention Tara Strong voiced Harley Quinn? The beginning of many wonderful and fun DC cast Easter eggs, or as I like to call it, legacy casting.
- Season 8 - First, I would like to suggest to watch (or rewatch) the whole series before this season, if only just to appreciate season 8 for the stirring season that it is, nods and all. Even though it is missing nostalgic elements like Walter Steele, Helena Bertinelli/Huntress, and more I can't remember, this was a fulfilling (and sadly final) season with Stephen Amell's last hurrah as Oliver Queen in arguably the biggest DC crossover TV has ever done or will ever do. Not to mention, despite saying it for many episodes, Oliver had truly become something else as the Spectre. Indeed, it is truly a love letter to the fans, with nerdgasm moments I can't list all here. Regardless on what it did or didn't have, this was at most a satisfying end to the legend of the Green Arrow.
- Season 5 - Ok, if you've seen me posts, I may be contradicting myself as I said I think this season is overrated. However, despite that, I can't deny it is one of the show's best. Though not my favorite villain, Prometheus was masterly evil, and Oliver's last flashback storyline was worthy of the promise of 5 years of Arrow, at least. Indeed, season 5 was great, and the season finale 5x23 "Lian Yu", hands down one of the best episodes.
- Season 1 - While season 2 is my favorite, this was a fantastic first season. The Flash would later top it in my book, sure, but that doesn't diminish how Arrow started it all, and very well I might add. I'd call this season Batman Begins but green and for television. Back when the shows were more relatable, yet focused on entertainment first and cemented Stephen Amell as a real-life superhero by doing most-if-not-all his own stunts and action scenes, for starters. The first 5 episodes are simply amazing, and they arguably kept getting better.
- Season 6 - In ranking, season 6 could be tied with season 7. But right now, I rank this season higher as it is Oliver's last run as a masked vigilante before revealing himself in public. I also liked Cayden James when he was around more than Ricardo Diaz when he took over. While a formidable foe, Diaz is not my favorite big bad and I felt his role was dragging a bit too long, even the season after. Both the beginning Earth-2 Laurel's redemption and Slade/Deathstroke's episodes were enjoyable. Needless to say, despite some problems, I liked this season.
- Season 7 - Oliver Queen unmasked...whew! With this season focusing on a world where everyone knows Oliver Queen's secret, it should be ranked higher. The prison arc was a highlight with an epic conclusion. However, the second half of the season was disappointing. Emiko Adachi Queen's storyline could've been done better, and the villains didn't top the past. The Emerald Archer documentary, the Canary episode and the season finale were great enough to watch though.
- Season 4 - Quality-wise, yeah season 4 might bee (pun intended) the worst season. But still, I liked it enough, being the game-changing Star City (being Starling the first 3 seasons prior), Oliver becomes Green Arrow in a more comic accurate suit, which I liked a lot even though they went back to sleeves next season. True, Damien Darhk was a much better character in Legends of Tomorrow, but he wasn't terrible on Arrow, in my opinion. Also, having this season feature John Constantine for first time in Arrowverse canon was a plus.
- Season 3 - For what it was, this was a solid season. But after Oliver's first year as The Hood in season 1, and the Arrow fighting Deathstroke in season 2, to have season 3 be the first appearance to Ra's al Ghul himself after being referenced, the hype was truly real. And being a diehard DCAU fan, Arrow did have a good Ra's in Matt Nable. However, Ted Grant/Wildcat was not as good as he should have been, and the "Al Sah-him" story being too connected to the Batman lore of Ra's heir was a bit much for me. Not to mention the unnecessary deaths made for the sake of the 2016 Suicide Squad film. Ultimately, while it does have some points, it was not enough to go higher on my list. Part of me wants to say that the overall Arrowverse team was more focused on The Flash, which turned in a near-perfect first season, and that is why this season was not as good as the first two. That said, I love 3x09 "The Climb" which featured a comic-inspired action sequence. And of course the first-ever team-up with Barry Allen's Flash, both in the fall and the spring...Spoiler alert!
If you told me in 2014 that "the fastest man alive" would become my favorite superhero show, I'd say you were crazy. Even after watching the first look "Don't Blink" teaser that played during the Arrow season 2 finale's commercials. And if you told me Gorilla Grodd was coming, I'd half-expect a guy in a gorilla suit rather than the very convincing technological marvel we'd end up seeing on our screens. Yes, after 2 perfect seasons of Arrow, the show was dethroned by the first season of The Flash, which is also very binge-worthy. I cannot say enough on how or why I love this series. In addition, any reference to John Wesley Shipp's 1990 The Flash series were welcome as far as I was concerned. Ranking my favorite seasons was horrible at first, because it looked like the show has gotten worse, which I personally don't believe it has. While each season has its issues, but I've yet to hate any.
- Season 1 - Again, the first 2 seasons of Arrow were perfect, but I think The Flash season 1 is actually my #1 favorite season out of all the Arrowverse shows. Ever. I'll be surprised if any season on any Arrowverse series tops this one on my list. I can't say enough about this season, the origin of Barry Allen, the fastest man alive. Everything I loved about the show most likely is in this season, from the overall story, to the characters, the big bad, and more. The villains of the week were especially great: Captain Cold, Captain Boomerang, Heat Wave, Weather Wizard, and more, including (my personal favorite) Mark Hamill as James Jesse aka The Trickster! And again, a very convincing Grodd was a very pleasant surprise and one of many technological marvels of the Arrowverse as a whole. Regardless, Hamill's debut only partly made 1x17 "Tricksters" my overall favorite episode of the season, maybe of the whole Arrowverse series. But above all, the introduction of Dr. Harrison Wells, the 2024 newspaper, time travel, Eobard Thawne aka the Reverse-Flash aka the infamous "Man in the Yellow Suit" as well as Barry's greatest enemy, and of course the 1990 Flash nods were all highlights for me.
- Season 2 - Many Flash fans rank this as their favorite season, and for good reason. Whereas season 1 introduced time travel, season 2 introduced the multiverse which in itself introduced doppelgängers, the speed demon Zoom, and the Crimson Comet himself Jay Garrick. While the Jay/Flash's story was mostly predictable (such as who they cast), the icing on the cake at the season's end (not to spoil the end) made it worthy of a watch. Also, a few notes: 2x09 "Running to Stand Still" gave me a good Christmas special (reminds me of DCAU's "Christmas With the Joker") to watch for the holidays, 2x11 "The Reverse-Flash Returns" was a good "origin story" for the Arrowverse version of the character, and 2x03 "Family of Rogues"...Michael Ironside is Lewis Snart aka Captain Cold's dad?! My only complaint is that it wasn't good enough to top season 1, in my book.
- Season 3 - Ruined Flashpoint potential aside, I did like this season, if not for it being the last "good" season (in my opinion) even though it's not my favorite. Savitar's story wasn't the best big bad speedster, but I enjoyed the "change the future" aspect of the overall storyline. Bringing in Tom Felton, Wally West/Kid Flash, Jesse Quick, and Gorilla City were each a great bonus of my viewing pleasure. Also loved that we got to see the original Flash Jay Garrick for more than one episode, with another reunion between Mark Hamill and John Wesley Shipp as Trickster vs Speedster, which was great early Christmas present. Plus, more Speed Force is always fun for me.
- Season 4 - I don't hate this season, but I can also see why people may not like it. Still, this season was mostly straightforward, I liked Clifford DeVoe/The Thinker, warts and all, and it was an alright story. Barry Allen is arrested mid-season, making the season all the more memorable. I do like the introduction to Ralph Dibny and his episode to shine in 4x11 "The Elongated Knight Rises" which featured the Trickster family (sans Mark Hamill sadly), Axel Walker/Trickster II and the return/debut of Zoey Clark/Prank...just to note, I would rank this season higher had Hamill's Trickster returned with Prank. Trickster craze aside, Ralph continues to be a character I hope stays with Team Flash, even years after his debut this season. The return of fan-favorites like Harry Wells, Jay Garrick, Jesse Quick, and even the Jay and Silent Bob cameo appearance are high points of the season.
- Season 6 - Boy, was this a mixed bag? And during a pandemic, no less. Production complications aside, I did very much love this season simply because it show a world before and after Crisis on Infinite Earths, arguably the biggest crossover the Arrowverse has (or will ever have?) done. While not my favorite, fans mostly agree that 6x07-08 "The Last Temptation of Barry Allen, Pt. 1 and 2" was one the best episode(s) of the season. From what I could see, the Eva McCulloch/Mirrorverse storyline was mixed, but with complications from the death of the Speed Force (spoiler!) I enjoyed it enough to see what happens next. Really, my only complaint that I could fuss about is the Crisis itself (which I'll get to in my additional notes below) though I'm good with the Crisis we got in season 6. Then again, I felt this year's villain of the week was its worst, but I did like seeing some familiar faces again with the new. Needless to say, I've been a defender this season, warts and all...but then, I am with any Flash season.
- Season 5 - This season I can watch, as with the others, as it's not a bad season per say, but I have my issues that say it's my least favorite. The big bad, i.e. Orlin Dwyer/Cicada and Grace Gibbons/Cicada 2.0/She-Cada, had potential but you pretty much had to put them aside once Eobard Thawne returns with another meaty role. But I did enjoy watching Thawne and Nora West-Allen's partnership throughout the season's storyline, as well as villains of the week like Joslyn Jackam/Weather Witch and Peter Merkel/Rag Doll. Oh, and it should be a nitpick, but I was not a fan of Barry's Flash suit on here...maybe it's the lack of chinstrap? Small note, glad they fixed that later in season 6.
A few additional notes, as my favorite DC show:
- Villain(s) of the week were the appeal of The Flash; Captain Cold, Weather Wizard, Gorilla Grodd, Rag Man, Top, Mirror Master, etc. Despite all the great villains out there, my favorite has always been James Jesse aka The Trickster. But in my personal and unpopular opinion, I severely wish they take every chance possible to bring Mark Hamill back, as he's been my personal favorite villain of the week since he first appeared in 1x17 "Tricksters" which is also my overall favorite episode of The Flash, if not the whole Arrowverse. Maybe with the rest of the Trickster family, if not only to include Zoey Clark and have a Trickster/Prank reunion!
- The original "Flash Missing, Vanishes in Crisis" newspaper...I mean, read it. That was something a lot of fans wanted to see even before they brought in antimatter, the Anti-Monitor and other Crisis comic elements. While I'm good with the Crisis we got in season 6, I personally do want the show to make it to April 2024 as originally planned. I can't think of a better way to close off the show, and it doesn't feel like you wasted 5 seasons analyzing the article for something that didn't happen. And it's not like they can't just retcon and say it's another Crisis! Just not with the Anti-Monitor, but rather focus specifically on Barry and Thawne. I'd compare it to the battle in 1x22 "Rogue Air" where it's not a full crossover but you get some heroes team up with Flash against Thawne in a climactic battle. Though I think if they do go this route, it may have to be a crossover.
The first Arrowverse show that mainly takes places on another Earth, but more on that bit of confusion later. Ok, here's where I may get some flack. First and foremost, I liked season 1 and 2. Introducing this fairly new superheroine while weaving the Superman lore into the Arrowverse was done really well. Any reference to any old Superman property (like the 1978 film) were welcome as far as I was concerned. As weird as it was, having both Lois & Clark series's Dean Cain and 1984 Supergirl movie's Helen Slater (who I might add is my Talia Al Ghul) as Kara Zor-El's adoptive parents, was genius especially having had roles on Smallville prior to this series. In addition, I can't say enough about seeing J'onn J'onnz aka Martian Manhunter teaming up with our heroes. However, in my personal opinion, while I enjoy the first 2 seasons, I've not been a huge fan of the futher seasons. To get into further detail, if you dare to look...
- Season 2 - The first season to air on The CW channel, which made it a little easier for Kara to cross over with other shows. But focusing on Supergirl itself, we are introduced to more staples of the show this season. First, the Luthor family is introduced. Alex Danvers becomes a lesbian, first having a relationship with Maggie Sawyer. Mon-El of Daxam is introduced with some Kryptonian-related history and family drama. And of course our first real introduction to Tyler Hoechlin's Clark Kent/Superman himself. Not to mention more legacy casting with Lynda Carter (previously Wonder Woman in the 1975 TV series) as President Marsdin as well as Teri Hatcher (previously Lois and Clark Lois Lane) as Rhea. However, I was not a fan of James Olsen/Guardian, and I wish Mr. Mxyzptlk was done better (Spoiler alert: he kinda did in season 5). Aside from leaning towards politics compared to the more politically neutral first season, I like the war with Project Cadmus a lot, and I do like an alien invasion now and then.
- Season 1 - in 2015, while The Flash discovered Earth-2, Supergirl first aired on CBS where her adventures began on Earth-38, which Flash would also discover later but that's another topic. It was great seeing the show start by familiarizing viewers with Kal-El/Superman's origin (aka Krypton's destruction, arrives on Earth, etc) but to also align with Kara Zor-El, making it clear that this is Supergirl's story. Calista Flockhart as Kara's employer, CatCo's media mogul Cat Grant, is a major highlight of this season. And I like seeing how characters like the D.E.O. head Hank Henshaw, Alex Danvers, Winn Schott, Jimmy Olsen and J'onn J'onzz fit into the mix, even some villains like Livewire, Winslow Schott Sr./Toyman, and fellow Kryptonians Astra and Non. Though it did feel weird to see Smallville Supergirl Laura Vandervoort as the Brainiac character, Indigo. Still, with being close to Superman lore, more politically neutral, and having a special crossover episode with Barry Allen/The Flash, this season is worth watching even today.
- Season 3 - Ok, here's where my opinion may start getting flack. I like the idea of what Reign is as a character, but I wasn't overly interested in Reign's story nor the Worldkillers, who were underwhelming to me. However, I did like the introduction to the Legion of Super-Heroes including Querl Dox/Brainiac 5. My highest positive of the season is actually J'onn's father, M'yrnn J'onzz, portrayed by Carl Lumbly, who voiced J'onn before in animation and is my favorite Martian Manhunter. I was already a fan of David Harewood's version, and he did J'onn character fairly well just not Lumbly level, but still it was enough. Despite the good, I'm mad at certain decisions the show makes, like killing off Toyman Sr. and M'yrnn, just as much as the show cementing Livewire as an antihero...before killing her off as well. Even with Erica Durance as the recasted Alura Zor-El won't make me rank this season higher. Still, pros outweigh the cons enough to earn its place here.
- Season 5 - While I had my problems with season 4, in my not-so-popular opinion, I do feel season 5 was better, but not by much. In comparison, it certainly had a minimal amount of politics, which is something I don't like about the show in general. It is also confusing as to who the main villain is; Rama Khan, Gemma Cooper/Gamemnae, and the return of season 4 big bad Lex Luthor, the latter who I will get into later. Despite the hype left by Margot Morrison's "Leviathan is coming" tease, the organization was disappointing as well. Another season 4-originated hype, Malefic J'onzz portrayed by Phil LaMarr, was much more satisfying to see, but I wish he stayed a villain a little longer. But he was J'onn's test for Crisis on Infinite Earths, which was fine though nothing actually happened to J'onn during the crossover. So yeah, while season 5 was better than 4, in my opinion, it didn't do enough to be earn more praise. Lex's story and seeing J'onn is among the few reasons I've stuck around lately. Then again, I am sore about Jeremiah Danvers's untimely passing.
- Season 4 - Here's where I may possibly lose some friends, as while some rank it as their favorite, season 4 is actually my least favorite season of Supergirl. The Ben Lockwood/Agent Liberty storyline started out fine in 4x03 "Man of Steel", but by the end of the season Lockwood went from being an interesting character to a raving punk. The Elite was a group with potential, but overall it didn't help make this season great. Frankly, while it was a nitpick before, the more-than-usual references to politics today (which I'll get to in my additional notes below) kinda made this season a major turn-off for me. Then again, I felt Jon Cryer's Lex Luthor was a major highlight once he was brought into the picture as this season's real big bad. His two-part debut as Lex, easily the best episodes. Specifically 4x16 "House of L", which answered so many questions, including flashbacks with Red Daughter, and for me it was less cringeworthy. And playing in multiple episodes, Frank Sinatra's "My Way" has become Lex's theme, I've no complaints here. Sad that Lexy died on us at the end...or so we thought? Needless to say, I'm not big on much about this season other than making Lex Luthor one of the Arrowverse's interesting villains, and Supergirl's best.
A few additional notes:
- There was a Discussion post before, but I think Lex and J'onn are among the reasons (if not only reasons) I'm still watching Supergirl right now.
- There have been arguments made on if Supergirl is political or not; it happened before and I'm sure it will again. While Supergirl may not be political by definition, the show certainly is built on by it and lacking subtlety when it came to political/social commentary and other current day issues. Obviously, we have different views, beliefs, opinions, etc. Some people might say it's a problem period, and they don't want to see that on TV at all. Whereas I feel it's fine for the shows to express those views, but not get crazy with it, picking one view or side, but to make it entertaining for everyone, specifically all fans of superhero genre. Frankly, after season 2, I felt they've gone crazy and been one-sided. Partly why you can see me praise earlier seasons more, like Season 1 was mostly politically neutral, with most being throwaway lines like Cat Grant being open in her dislike of Republicans, which is fine because it's a character's opinion, not any intent of disrespect but a running gag.
- However, there have been several unsubtle digs at Donald Trump's presidency, esoecially when Lynda Carter's Olivia Marsdin was president in the show. One example, his proposition of building a wall to Mexico ironically acts as an unintentional condemnation against Marsden, who legalized a bill allowing for space aliens to live on Earth openly. In addition, the Women's March from 2016 is referenced but shouldn't have even existed in the storyline due to Trump never being president on Earth-38.
- The biggest offense of this topic is in season 4, which I didn't get into detail above but I will here. While I didn't mind the corrupt president aspect of the story, I was not a fan of literally referencing Donald Trump himself. Look at Phil Baker, he's basically Supergirl's way of trashing the then-current President, or saying unless a woman or black guy is president, they are automatically henchmen. "Oh, a president who looks like a rich white guy, he must be working with Lex!" Not cool. What happened to common decency? Granted, an argument could be made that he's a fictional character, but it's hard given the aforementioned remarkable resemblance. Why couldn't Baker be someone who doesn't represent today world? That story wouldn't have been so cringey had A) again, the Baker character looked different and not similar to Trump, and/or B) the shows not give Obama good press, like in Legends season 3's "Guest Starring John Noble". Regardless on which one is popular, neither are beloved by all, and you can't give one president respect and disrespect another. What happened to common decency? What would've been better and more neutral to both sides is have President Baker be threatened, like in the DCAU JL President who looks like George Bush but isn't portrayed as a president serving as a willing henchman. Or better yet (if an evil president is needed) make Lex the president himself or use the image inducer to look like Baker. But no, they literally made a character literally based on a currently-running president a tool for one of the baddest villains ever. What's next, Jesus friends with Thawne? More insulting is that after Baker leaves, the next president is immediately female, seen in "Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part Five", and seems to imply that any president appearing in the shows that are evil will look like whoever is currently in office that they don't like. And for all that, Supergirl had become the show I was least excited to watch this season. That said, I did like seeing Lynda Carter as president.
DC's Legends of Tomorrow
Before I go on, let me be clear here. I've left out pilots, finales, milestones, etc as I feel those are automatically watchable. I may make a section dedicated to it, but I'm not sure. Regardless, the episodes I've chosen to showcase below are of my opinion, unpopular as it may be. If you like it, awesome; if not, feel free in agreeing to disagreeing with me.
From the complete series, seasons 1-8, my favorite Arrow episodes.
From seasons 1-6, my favorite The Flash episodes.
From seasons 1-5, my favorite Supergirl episodes.
Legends of Tomorrow
From seasons 1-5, my favorite Legends episodes.
From season 1-3, my favorite Black Lightning episodes.
From season 1, my favorite Batwoman episodes.
For me, crossovers are mandatory, and I've liked every Arrowverse crossover so far. My most to least favorite crossovers.
- Crisis on Earth-X/Crisis on Infinite Earths
- Flash vs. Arrow
- Worlds Finest
- The Scientist/Three Ghosts
- Heroes Join Forces
Other Arrowverse affiliations
Note: I have seen some not all of these, but judging from what I know of these DC properties, which I may or may not catch up on someday.
- * next to ones I haven't watched outside of a few clips
- ** for ones I have seen the least.
- Batman (1989 film)
- Superman (1978 film)
- The Flash (1990 series) *
- Batman (1966 series) *
- Titans **
- Birds of Prey (2002 series) **
- "Villains or vigilantes? Criminals or heroes? From Star City to Central City to Gotham City, Americans have debated this question. Do the ends justify the means? Does the law have to be broken to uphold it?"
- "'The strongest of all warriors are these two—time and patience.' It's from 'War and Peace'. 1,440 pages. It takes a while, but it's worth a read. Tolstoy knew that patience was the epitome of strength. It takes fortitude to stand still. Just as it is a sign of weakness or cowardice to move when you should not!"
- —William Tockman/Clock King[src]
- "I know how difficult it is to pick yourself back up when other people have written you off."
- —Slade Wilson[src]
- "'Cause if I knew who he really was, then he'd become a person, right? Maybe he's got a family. Friends. People that care about him. Someone with a life. That he couldn't be what I needed him to be. What this city needs him to be. It's the Arrow that matters. The man under the hood isn't important. Look at me. Can you imagine what it's like to be him? What he has to live with day in and day out, what that's gotta be like? Hey. The least I can do is sit here and do a little bit of time for him."
- —Quentin Lance to Laurel Lance[src]
- "Every warrior must learn the simple truth. That pain is inevitable, and suffering is optional."
- —Malcolm Merlyn[src]
- "There's Flash and—and Supergirl and—and people with actual powers now. Whatever needs to be done, they can handle it. We—we finally have a chance to be happy. I mean, why—why can't you just for a second accept that maybe this is your reward for all of the sacrifices you have made?"
"I didn't make those sacrifices for a reward, Thea. I did what I did because I thought it was right."
- —Thea Queen and Oliver Queen in an alternate reality[src]
- "You and I are not dissimilar. We're both haunted by our pasts, and the only way to bury that ghost is by forgiving yourself."
- —Slade Wilson to Oliver Queen[src]
- "You and I walk between two worlds. But we can only do that for so long."
- —Slade Wilson to Oliver Queen[src]
- "If you're trying to live up to us, don't. We are just as flawed as anyone, especially me. All you can do is live up to yourself."
- —Laurel Lance[src]
- "My name is Oliver Queen. After five years in hell, I returned home with only one goal—to save my city. For eight years, I've fought alongside brave men and women striving for justice. But then, a Crisis came. And I had to become someone else. I had to become something else. I made the ultimate sacrifice, which helped birth an entirely new universe. Now my friends and family will have to go on without me. And although I have become a Spectre, there is a part of me that will always be the Green Arrow."
- —Oliver Queen[src]
- "To understand what I'm about to tell you, you need to do something. You need to believe the impossible. Can you do that? Good."
- —Barry Allen/The Flash[src]
- "S.T.A.R. Labs. This place used to be so important. Tell me, what does one do after such a spectacular, public failure?"
"One adapts. One evolves. One becomes intent on reversing one's fortune."
"Always the idealist."
- —Wade Eiling and Harrison Wells[src]
- "For a guy who has experienced his fair share of mysteries, one mystery I still can't figure out is why some people come into our lives. Why some people go, and others become a part of you. Some friendships feel like they'll last forever. And others end far too soon. Not every friendship is meant to last a lifetime. What does last forever is the pain when that person is gone."
- —Barry Allen[src]
- "Well, maybe you care too much, Barry. I know being a hero is important to you, and I respect your ideals. I just don't have the luxury of sharing them."
- —Harrison Wells[src]
- "Quid pro quo. That's Latin, Mr. Woodward. You've heard of Latin? Quid pro quo means something for something, and in this case that something is your freedom. I'm prepared to grant it to you."
- —Harrison Wells[src]
- "I've had 20 years to come up with the perfect trick. It's going to be my masterpiece. My Mona Lisa. My Breaking Bad season five. They gave me cable in prison so I'd stop killing the guards."
- —James Jesse/The Trickster[src]
- "What I wouldn't have given...all those times before to have you like this. So...helpless. But fate...fate's tricky, isn't it? I come here to destroy you...And then to get home, I have to be the one who creates you. But I will say...it's been an education. Watching you grow up all these years. Science fairs and soccer games. No hint, no sign, no trace of the man you will be one day, for whom I have nothing but hate. And to be clear, nothing is forgiven. There will be a reckoning. I promise you, Barry Allen, that you will die."
- —Harrison Wells/Eobard Thawne[src]
- "May the Speed Force be with you."
- —Cisco Ramon to Barry Allen[src]
- "Flash-y the red-nosed speedster. Had a very shiny suit. And if you ever saw him, you might even want to puke. (gags) Merry Christmas, kiddie-winks. I'm back! Citizens, you know, the holidays can be a time for gentle reflection on the year past. Our ups and downs, our triumphs and our heartaches. But don’t forget, it can also be a time for disemboweling our enemies. No. My stocking won't be completely stuffed until it's filled to the brim with bloody Flash parts. So what do you say, speed freak? You wanna roast chestnuts?"
- —James Jesse/The Trickster's televised message[src]
- "To think this city worships you. But, when I kill The Flash, they'll realize I'm the man who saved Central City!"
- —James Jesse/The Trickster[src]
- "Life is either-or...yes/no, black/white, love/hate. From the dawn of time to this moment right now."
- —Harry Wells[src]
- "You could gather every genius on every planet, and you still couldn't outthink me. [...] You've done wonders all these years punching gorillas with rudimentary powers, chasing madmen shooting icicles. Those were children with playguns. Savitar, Zoom, Thawne. Their powers are nothing compared to the power of limitless thought. [...] You may be the fastest man alive, Allen. I'm the fastest mind."
- —Clifford DeVoe/The Thinker[src]
- "Oh, good lord, Caitlin! The city's about to explode. Everyone, everything you know and love. The birds, the trees, the fish, the puppies! Puppies are going down because you didn't want to show up for work!"
- —Cisco Ramon and Harry Wells[src]
- "But then I visited a friend of mine. And he helped me remember that no one is fearless. But real heroes, they find a way to rise above that fear and make a difference anyway. Even if it kills them in the process. So, this is me, rising up. Hopefully without the dying part."
- —Ralph Dibny/Elongated Man[src]
- "Ah! Son of a breach!"
- —Cisco Ramon[src]
- "Breacher? Gypsy? Harry? What did you think we meant when we said Harry was from Earth-2?"
"That he is from Earth 'also.' You guys really need to make, like, a welcome pamphlet, or at least a Powerpoint or something."
- —Caitlin Snow and Ralph Dibny[src]
- "How did you become the Elongated Man, anyway?"
"I was brutally experimented on by a covert organization for years. They forced me to consume rubber-based polymer compounds."
"No. I rode a bus."
- —Sue Dearbon and Ralph Dibny[src]
- "As another world leader once said, 'I don't see why men shouldn't be as cruel as nature.'"
"Try not to quote Hitler in public, dear. It'll hurt the brand."
- —Lex Luthor and Lillian Luthor[src]
Legends of Tomorrow
- "I've seen darker days. I've seen men of steel die and dark knights fall, and even then I accomplished my mission no matter what."
- —Rip Hunter[src]
- "When my family was killed, I thought there was no way I could go on, but I did. The truth of our existence is that we're all blessed and cursed with the drive to move forward. Live the next day. To get better."
- —Rip Hunter[src]
- "That is a pretty cold calculation, Rip. Almost criminal. Except we criminals have a code: 'You never leave one of your own behind.'"
- —Leonard Snart[src]
- "I'll take a nightmare that's real over a dream that's a lie."
- —Sara Lance[src]
- "Just trying to figure out what the Legion of Doom wants with those two amulets."
"The 'Legion of Doom'?"
"Darhk, Merlyn, and the Speedster. It's from a Hanna-Barbera cartoon I liked when I was a kid."
- —Nate Heywood and Amaya Jiwe[src]
Crisis on Infinite Earths
- "Universe after universe has fallen before my power. World after world consumed. With every death, I steal my mirror’s strength, and mine grows ever stronger. Who am I? I am the Anti-Monitor. Come, Harbinger. There is work to be done."
- "It's like a wise man once said. 'Battle not with monsters, lest you become a monster.'"
- —Bruce Wayne (Earth-99)[src]
- "Strange visitor from another planet comes to Earth with powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal men? Clark. Clark always said yes to anyone with a badge. Or a flag. He gave them too much power. My parents taught me a very different lesson. Life only makes sense if you force it to. A little little souvenir from the old hometown."
- —Bruce Wayne (Earth-99)[src]
- "...even in the darkest times, hope cuts through. Hope is the light that lifts us out of darkness."
- —Superman (Earth-96)[src]
- "I was married once, too. Tina always said that keeping me running was her purpose in life, so as someone who's been running for 30 years, let me tell you. Sometimes, in order to find your purpose as a hero, you gotta take a couple steps back. Reverse the way you see the situation and see a bigger picture."
- —Barry Allen (Earth-90)[src]
- "Keep riding the lightning, son. I know you'll make us all proud."
- —Flash-90's last words to the Flash of Earth-1[src]
- "Dying's the easy part. The dead are at peace, but the real heroes are the ones who have to keep going."
- —Oliver Queen to Barry Allen[src]
- "Citizens of Central City! I am The Trickster, here to rescue you from the menace known as the Flash. And to save the darling of my heart from his fiendish affections. Ta-ta for now!"
- —James Jesse/The Trickster[src]
- "You know, I've been thinking a lot about this prophecy. I've got a new interpretation. Want to hear it?"
"May I? This Naman guy is supposed to come from the stars, have the power of ten men, and shoot fire from his eyes, right?"
"It's just an allegory, Lex."
"I know. But if one person could do all that, he would be a formidable enemy. He could conquer the world. He could become a tyrant if nobody kept him in check. So I've been thinking. Anybody who'd be willing to fight him would have to be pretty brave. Clark, did it ever occur to you that maybe the hero of the story...is Segeeth?"
- —Lex Luthor and Clark Kent[src]
- "I don't know, Clark. There's a darkness in me that I can't always control. I'm starting to think that's my curse, why every relationship I have ends badly."
- —Lex Luthor[src]
- "Happiness is such an elusive creature, isn't it? We all wish for it, but very few ever really find it."
- —Lex Luthor[src]
- "We all need to believe in heroes, Clark, and even the best ones are far from perfect."
- —Lex Luthor[src]
- "Much like Ebenezer Scrooge, I realized that what I want more than anything is to live happily ever after. And do you know what the secret to living happily ever after is? Power. Money and power. See, once you have those two things, you can secure everything else... and keep it that way."
- —Lex Luthor[src]
- "I don't do too well with fortune tellers. The last one I went to see, told me I was destined to fall for a guy who flies a lot and likes to wear tights. So I'm just waiting for my cross-dressing pilot to make his landing."
- —Lois Lane[src]
- "You...you cruel, manipulative b*st*rd! Was this all part of Your plan? It's all just a game to You, isn't it? Eh? Well, I know punishment, and he did not deserve that. He followed Your stupid rules and it still wasn't good enough! So what does it take to please You? Break Your rules and you fall! Follow them and you still lose?! Doesn't matter whether you're a sinner! Doesn't matter whether you're a saint! Nobody can win, so what's the point? What's the bloody point?"
- —Lucifer Morningstar to God[src]
- "Well, he's taken. So back off, skank! I... Maze: Hey! No one calls my skank a skank."
- —Psychotic Girlfriend and Maze[src]
- "To newly defined relationships. Cheers."
- —Lucifer Morningstar to Maze[src]
- "Hello, brother."
"Ah! Uriel! I thought it was you. Welcome to Earth. Clearly, I got the fashion sense in the family. Word of advice: I'd lose the trench coat, 'cause as it stands, it's less cool-brooding-angel and more sort of pedophile chic."
"One joke down, one to go. Why can't you take anything seriously, Lucifer?"
"What do they say? 'Laugh like no one's listening? Dance like you're standing on the corpses of your enemies?'"
- —Lucifer Morningstar and Uriel[src]
- "Detective Douche, I..."
"Dan. My name is Dan! Or Detective Espinoza."
"Right. Dan. I only did it because you're everything that I'm not. Boring, helpful. Your life is simple."
"Come on, man. You're rich, you're handsome, you drive fancy cars, you date hot girls, you have no kids, you have no responsibilities. How much more simple can life get?"
"Afraid you don't know the whole story."
"Well, fine. Tell me."
"You see, that's just it, Dan. The last person I opened up to, I hurt. A lot. Let alone I've hurt my own flesh and blood. It's all I seem to be able to do."
"Welcome to the club. You think Chloe divorced me because I'm a perfect guy? I did a lot of things that I'm not proud of, man. And I'm just trying to work through them."
"What, through mime? What do you do, stuff your feelings in a box and throw away the key?"
"It's not mime. It's improv. And I started the class after the divorce because I needed a distraction. Perspective. A way to step out of my own skin for a bit. I don't know, I...I'm not a spontaneous guy. I don't live in the moment like you do."
"So, you were trying to learn how not to Douche?"
"Yeah, I guess that's one way to put it."
- —Lucifer Morningstar and Dan Espinoza[src]
- "Release your inner Devil."
"But what should I do first?"
"Oh, I don't know. Get laid. Play the piano. Punish evil. Just, whenever you're faced with a choice, ask yourself the question: WWLD? What would Lucifer do?"
- —Lucifer Morningstar and Amenadiel[src]
...and pretty much 90% of everything else. Seriously, all the shows have mostly great dialogue.